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Murphinator

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Earlier I posted about needing a rifle to start out with for deer hunting and I posted about a DGW Mountain Rifle which I ended up not buying. Earlier this morning and over the past few days as well a forum member here who has been very helpful to me in the past and a fellow Marylander @SmoothboreMurph sent me a couple of PM's asking me to come over to his farm and shoot his collection to fet a feel for what I want and need. So I shot his friends Jaeger and found its shortness not to my liking. I shot his Brown Bess and that was an awesome experience, especially his Turkey load that feels like a mule decided to send your shoulder off to California via air mail. After talking with him and his friends and explaining to them what I wanted in a rifle they gave me a good starter point to take off from. They suggested that I just build a Kibler kit. I got to talking about an everything rifle for all the years to come and well the answer seemed simple to them. "Kibler Colonial .58 caliber", that way I could hunt all over the country if I ever wanted to do that. I never even thought of that, then they suggested a few smoothbores. The biggest two suggestions were either a 16ga folwer/fusil or a 12 ga as they werent big fans of the .62/20ga. Im definitely got a Brown Bess though from Murph he was fixing one up, a Pedersoli he bought from a local who didnt take care of it right. Its got some surface rust I get cleaned up but for his price at $475 I couldnt turn it down hell the barrel marking makes it only 3 years old that beats the $1100-$1200 retail price. He did tell me that a bess is merely the tip of the iceberg and a fowler is better for hunting. Lastly, they suggested a squirrel/game rifle. They all kinda decided that .32/.36 are the best calibers but they dont own any so they said to ask questions here. Over the coming days or weeks I will ask the forum a few questions to try and get all my ducks in a row and finally get this damn train of mine moving. This is why this forum is a godsend. I have always wanted to get into traditional muzzleloading and at first I was terribly lost trying to sift through all the different things. But after about 6 hours yesterday of spewing smoke and making about 2 acres of land smell like rotten eggs as well as a few long disscussions I can move on with getting my first hunting flintlocks.
 
I do disagree on the 12 bore over the 20 bore. There is a 12 bore that has been through a dozen or more owners in this area. We shoot a lot, and all ended up with a black and blue shoulder at the end of the day with the 12 bore, and get rid of it in short order. We all seem to manage to kill bear, deer, elk, antelope, turkey, grouse, buffalo, with a 20 bore, anything that we point them at.
 
I had the idea of one gun to hunt everything. I have a 20 guage flintlock smoothbore. I can hunt everything...but I decided I wanted more. I had a .50 Hawken style flintlock, got a .50 SMR flintlock, a .54 flintlock Hawken style, and a CVA .32 caplock. I feel pretty happy with my small stable. I may trade up on a long rifle yet, but will always keep a smoothbore 62, a 54, a 50, and a 32.
 
A 12gauge TC New Englander, add rear sight instant do it all gun. Moose bear deer small game, birds and waterfowl.
There is actually a barrel for a T/C New Englander 12 ga for sale in the shop up the street from where I work as well as a .56 smoothbore T/C barrel. Will the 12 ga fit any T/C stock or only a New Englander Stock ?
 
A 20 gauge fowling piece or smoothrifle will do everything you mentioned, unless most of your deer hunting involves shots beyond 50 yards most of the time. Only need I can see to go bigger is for waterfowl.
We have a member who has taken a bison with a round ball from a 20 gauge smoothbore,,,, deer are no problem. Lots and lots of squirrels taken by members with a 20 gauge smoothbore. Many turkeys taken with same.

Not every state will allow you to hunt turkey with a bore smaller than 20 gauge.

That said, I would like a .45 smoothrifle like the one used by @Britsmoothy
I'd also like a .36 caliber rifle in something like a Lehigh style or Lancaster, and a .60 or .62 caliber early style rifle like the Marshall, Tulip, or Music Rifle.... But, I can hunt anything I want with the 20 gauges I have, anyone one of those guns would mean I need another gun, or two, to hunt everything I want to hunt.

The bigger the bore, the bigger it's appetite for powder and lead.
 
A 20 gauge fowling piece or smoothrifle will do everything you mentioned, unless most of your deer hunting involves shots beyond 50 yards most of the time. Only need I can see to go bigger is for waterfowl.
We have a member who has taken a bison with a round ball from a 20 gauge smoothbore,,,, deer are no problem. Lots and lots of squirrels taken by members with a 20 gauge smoothbore. Many turkeys taken with same.

Not every state will allow you to hunt turkey with a bore smaller than 20 gauge.

That said, I would like a .45 smoothrifle like the one used by @Britsmoothy
I'd also like a .36 caliber rifle in something like a Lehigh style or Lancaster, and a .60 or .62 caliber early style rifle like the Marshall, Tulip, or Music Rifle.... But, I can hunt anything I want with the 20 gauges I have, anyone one of those guns would mean I need another gun, or two, to hunt everything I want to hunt.

The bigger the bore, the bigger it's appetite for powder and lead.
Good to know I have seen a lot of people sending me offers to buy their 20 gauges. Is 16 gauge too much ?
 
The smoothbore is the one BP gun I have never owned. But if I did I would go 20 Gauge.
 
I really like my 20 gauge fusil. I'm sure I'd like a 16 or 12 or 11 just as much though. The 3 gun battery of small game rifle, big game rifle and smoothie is exactly what I figured I needed too.
I have no idea where the rest of these came from! 😂
 
And what took you so long?!

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Good to know I have seen a lot of people sending me offers to buy their 20 gauges. Is 16 gauge too much ?
No, neither is 12, I'm just saying don't discount the 20.
Some people carry over the magnumitus/bigger has to be better attitude of the cartridge world to muzzleloaders.
I personally think the 16 is about ideal, and is all I use now for cartridge shotguns. But, I think 20 gauge components and accessories will be easier to find.
 
Murphinator please check the regs of the locations you plan to hunt. As Brockennoch stated some locations have minimums.

When I was younger and learning, using cartridges I was taught by an older gentleman from the South East that a .410 would do what I needed if I did my part.

That included deer, duck, pheasant and turkey at appropriate range. Having done that for food I know it works. I do not recommend this for deer except for survival though.

Well I'm long winded but I currently use a .50 smoothbore TC Hawken. Shot to 30 yards for flying birds or small fast moving and PRB or LEE 360 grain improved minie for everything else.
 

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