Did Davey Crockett die at the Alamo?

[Johnny Too-Tall]

I am working on a paper for college discussing history and the accuracy of it as it is taught. So, my question is this - Do you feel David (Davey) Crockett died at the Alamo?
I have done a ton of research, and many theorists say he was saved by Gen Santa Anna after being captured due to both him and Davey being a Mason. Now, when Santa Anna was captured by Sam Houston in battle after Alamo, he was also spared due to being a Mason. Theres also published newspaper articles stating he lived after with a bullet to shoulder. Then there's land grants signed by the President to Davey Crockett. While the signature od David Crockett has not been 100% authenticated parts of it were. And the biggest mystery is why would the President himself sign a land grant to a specific person, as the President Buchanan signature was validated, as was the Presidential seal on it. President Buchanan was also a Mason. Now said land grant was in Alabama where Davey was known to hunt, and it was also an area that once had Native tribes that Davey lost his political career to help protect and were known to be friends of Davey. The also news articles in the Austin City Gazette which posted a letter written Davey and given by Davey to a William White that Davey was and at time was currently forced to work in a mine in Mexico.
Then there's the many eyewitness stories all telling different versions of how he was killed, some by sword, some by bayonet, some by firing squad, some say he was just seen lying dead. So, what says the group while it can never be proven what's the public opinion. Does history have it correct?

 

[Ed C.]

Very interesting. We also have to look at whatever evidence supports his death. Billy the Kid comes to mind. The theory of him not being killed by Pat Garret sounds very convincing, but when the evidence supporting his death is brought forward that idea falls apart. Who knows? We would like to think Davey Crockett survived. Your paper will be food for thought.

 

[Johnny Too-Tall]

Very interesting. We also have to look at whatever evidence supports his death. Billy the Kid comes to mind. The theory of him not being killed by Pat Garret sounds very convincing, but when the evidence supporting his death is brought forward that idea falls apart. Who knows? We would like to think Davey Crockett survived. Your paper will be food for thought.

Yes, but the difference with Bily the Kid is most of the references regarding Billy's death was written by Pat Garrett himself. And that has been the accepted truth. Billy the Kid was another story I thought about writing about but I decided to go with Davey instead.

 

[tenngun]

We have Dickerson reporting his body near the low wall with his ‘peculiar hat by his side’.
While Houston was a Mason like Santa Anna there was the practical side of having the president of Mexico recognize Texas independence
The Alabama land claim just doesn’t have a lot of support of being David Crockett IMHO.
I would like to believe it, but I can’t be convinced by the poor evidence
And we have to remember who this was.
In one of the Alamo Movies Crockett says David Crockett would like to run, but Davy Crockett can’t.. that’s ahistorical, being just a movie, but I do think it reflects the time for a living hero.
Being the time it was when honor was more important then life I just can’t see him walking away from the graves of a hundred and eighty companions
As for the Kid, I think he was Brushy Bill.

 

[Johnny Too-Tall]

We have Dickerson reporting his body near the low wall with his ‘peculiar hat by his side’.
While Houston was a Mason like Santa Anna there was the practical side of having the president of Mexico recognize Texas independence
The Alabama land claim just doesn’t have a lot of support of being David Crockett IMHO.
I would like to believe it, but I can’t be convinced by the poor evidence
And we have to remember who this was.
In one of the Alamo Movies Crockett says David Crockett would like to run, but Davy Crockett can’t.. that’s ahistorical, being just a movie, but I do think it reflects the time for a living hero.
Being the time it was when honor was more important then life I just can’t see him walking away from the graves of a hundred and eighty companions
As for the Kid, I think he was Brushy Bill.

I agree with you on Billy the Kid.

 

[Coot]

I am working on a paper for college discussing history and the accuracy of it as it is taught. So, my question is this - Do you feel David (Davey) Crockett died at the Alamo?
I have done a ton of research, and many theorists say he was saved by Gen Santa Anna after being captured due to both him and Davey being a Mason. Now, when Santa Anna was captured by Sam Houston in battle after Alamo, he was also spared due to being a Mason. Theres also published newspaper articles stating he lived after with a bullet to shoulder. Then there's land grants signed by the President to Davey Crockett. While the signature od David Crockett has not been 100% authenticated parts of it were. And the biggest mystery is why would the President himself sign a land grant to a specific person, as the President Buchanan signature was validated, as was the Presidential seal on it. President Buchanan was also a Mason. Now said land grant was in Alabama where Davey was known to hunt, and it was also an area that once had Native tribes that Davey lost his political career to help protect and were known to be friends of Davey. The also news articles in the Austin City Gazette which posted a letter written Davey and given by Davey to a William White that Davey was and at time was currently forced to work in a mine in Mexico.
Then there's the many eyewitness stories all telling different versions of how he was killed, some by sword, some by bayonet, some by firing squad, some say he was just seen lying dead. So, what says the group while it can never be proven what's the public opinion. Does history have it correct?

I cannot remember the section on Crockett but for a different take on what really happened, read "Forget the Alamo". Makes one rethink about what is and is not included in history text books.

 

[tenngun]

I agree with you on Billy the Kid.

Well put your paper out cause I’ll be anxious to read it

 

[FlinterNick]

I am working on a paper for college discussing history and the accuracy of it as it is taught. So, my question is this - Do you feel David (Davey) Crockett died at the Alamo?
I have done a ton of research, and many theorists say he was saved by Gen Santa Anna after being captured due to both him and Davey being a Mason. Now, when Santa Anna was captured by Sam Houston in battle after Alamo, he was also spared due to being a Mason. Theres also published newspaper articles stating he lived after with a bullet to shoulder. Then there's land grants signed by the President to Davey Crockett. While the signature od David Crockett has not been 100% authenticated parts of it were. And the biggest mystery is why would the President himself sign a land grant to a specific person, as the President Buchanan signature was validated, as was the Presidential seal on it. President Buchanan was also a Mason. Now said land grant was in Alabama where Davey was known to hunt, and it was also an area that once had Native tribes that Davey lost his political career to help protect and were known to be friends of Davey. The also news articles in the Austin City Gazette which posted a letter written Davey and given by Davey to a William White that Davey was and at time was currently forced to work in a mine in Mexico.
Then there's the many eyewitness stories all telling different versions of how he was killed, some by sword, some by bayonet, some by firing squad, some say he was just seen lying dead. So, what says the group while it can never be proven what's the public opinion. Does history have it correct?

I do believe Crocket certainly died at the Alamo, whether it was during battle or executed at the very end. There are a lot of stories out there about Santa Anna making him beg for his life in a bayonet execution, this i doubt happened.

 

[FlaminCrow]

I recall during my kids Texas History class there was “new light” shed on his death.

They supposedly found a journal of some Mexican infantryman that claimed Crockett was captured within the walls and begged for his life, but was executed and body burned with the rest.

Not to get political, but that was the beginning of history revisionist movement in the 90s, they were reaching for everything they could to tear down our heroes.

Of course I believe he was overtaken and died in battle. There were survivor accounts that say they saw him lying there with his men after they were overrun.

Good luck on your paper.

 

[FlaminCrow]

We have Dickerson reporting his body near the low wall with his ‘peculiar hat by his side’.
While Houston was a Mason like Santa Anna there was the practical side of having the president of Mexico recognize Texas independence
The Alabama land claim just doesn’t have a lot of support of being David Crockett IMHO.
I would like to believe it, but I can’t be convinced by the poor evidence
And we have to remember who this was.
In one of the Alamo Movies Crockett says David Crockett would like to run, but Davy Crockett can’t.. that’s ahistorical, being just a movie, but I do think it reflects the time for a living hero.
Being the time it was when honor was more important then life I just can’t see him walking away from the graves of a hundred and eighty companions
As for the Kid, I think he was Brushy Bill.

I was rooting for Brushy Bill myself but I think they exhumed the body and it wasn’t. Can’t recall when that happened.

 

[Daytime Smoker]

You should search and listen to the bear grease podcast. He went several episodes deep on the subject. Pretty interesting.

Anthony

 

[sethwyo]

Very interesting. We also have to look at whatever evidence supports his death. Billy the Kid comes to mind. The theory of him not being killed by Pat Garret sounds very convincing, but when the evidence supporting his death is brought forward that idea falls apart. Who knows? We would like to think Davey Crockett survived. Your paper will be food for thought.

evidence of his death ?

 

[sethwyo]

Yes, but the difference with Bily the Kid is most of the references regarding Billy's death was written by Pat Garrett himself. And that has been the accepted truth. Billy the Kid was another story I thought about writing about but I decided to go with Davey instead.

Heap of folks never accepted what Garrett said.

This is the first time I heard that Davey didn't die at the Alamo.
We likely never will know what happened.

So much of our mainstream history is garbage.

 

[sethwyo]

You should search and listen to the bear grease podcast. He went several episodes deep on the subject. Pretty interesting.

Anthony

Bear grease with clay newcomb ?

 

[Omahkapi'si]

Crockett survived the Alamo and came back to join Mike Fink to fight the river pirates.

 

[sgtsquid]

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I am working on a paper for college discussing history and the accuracy of it as it is taught. So, my question is this - Do you feel David (Davey) Crockett died at the Alamo?
I have done a ton of research, and many theorists say he was saved by Gen Santa Anna after being captured due to both him and Davey being a Mason. Now, when Santa Anna was captured by Sam Houston in battle after Alamo, he was also spared due to being a Mason. Theres also published newspaper articles stating he lived after with a bullet to shoulder. Then there's land grants signed by the President to Davey Crockett. While the signature od David Crockett has not been 100% authenticated parts of it were. And the biggest mystery is why would the President himself sign a land grant to a specific person, as the President Buchanan signature was validated, as was the Presidential seal on it. President Buchanan was also a Mason. Now said land grant was in Alabama where Davey was known to hunt, and it was also an area that once had Native tribes that Davey lost his political career to help protect and were known to be friends of Davey. The also news articles in the Austin City Gazette which posted a letter written Davey and given by Davey to a William White that Davey was and at time was currently forced to work in a mine in Mexico.
Then there's the many eyewitness stories all telling different versions of how he was killed, some by sword, some by bayonet, some by firing squad, some say he was just seen lying dead. So, what says the group while it can never be proven what's the public opinion. Does history have it correct?

n't speak on the issue of what happened to Crockett, but hopefully I can clear up the land grant question. A few years ago I was looking into my genealogy and came across an ancestor named Vardamon Fletcher. Among the records was a land grant signed by president Monroe, in 1824 if I remember correctly, for service in the War of 1812. I think he was a sergeant, and not of and great distinction since there doesn't seem to be much out there about him. Just based on that, I would guess that the president signing a land grant around that time would not have been unheard of, and not something to arouse a lot of suspicion.