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hi well me and a friend watch a show on dimples on a golf ball the show said that the dimples made the ball go farther and fly true was wanting to know if any one has tried putting dimples on like a .72 cal.= 12 ga or large smoothbore rifles
even a .50 cal muzzleloader or 20 ga i have heard of pumkin heads but dont know what they are any info would help thanks.
 
theres a patent for a new electrically powered super-gun that shots a squillion 50 call steel golf balls a minute out of a centrefuge....I'd say it would improve your shooting if the bullet was dimpled
 
The Bevel brothers did an article in Muzzle Blasts last year on if dimples would improve either accuracy or distance. Unforturnely I don't recall which issue it was but I'm sure someone else will know. If I recall correctly, the dimples did affect how the ball shot. The question now is, is it worth it to dimple your balls :rotf:
 
I remember the article,but don't remember which issue. If I remember correctly improvement was questionable IF the ball left the muzzle above the speed of sound. It seems that an object going over,and dropping back below the speed of sound does some weird vibrating which can or does cause a slight change in direction. This came to light for the first time when Chuck Yaeger broke the sound barrier way back in the late 1940's or so.

A sub-sonic departure from the muzzle MAY be improved if I remember correctly. Paul V. will probably know....maybe he'll jump in :winking:.
 
I've been "frosting" large smooth bore balls since about 1982. Put a ball on a har surface and place a couse rasp on top and roll the ball around under it with good pressure. They shot better than balls with out this treatment. This was for a original 3rd model brown bess I used to shoot.... .76 sized ball.
 
The theory behind the use of dimples on golf balls and others is that they create pockets that hold air, and that air rubbing against air involves less resistance than air rubbing against metal. There is a slight gain in velocity using a dimpled ball, but at the short ranges where round ball are shot- you can't change their ballistics Coefficient, which is next to horrible!- the difference is not worth the extra effort involved.

To work properly, the dimples would have to be of uniform size and shape, Rolling a lead ball over a rasp would give you uniformity of shape, and depending on how much control is used in the pressure put on the ball during the operation, you may be able to control the depth of the dents. On the First Pass. However, on subsequent passes, it would be next to impossible to have uniformity in the sizing and spacing of the " dimples" using this method, and multiple passes would be needed to dimple the entire circumference of the ball.

Others have put the balls in tumblers, using a uniform grit, or even shot, to dimple the balls. They report better accuracy. We don't know if this is due to the fact that tumbling tends to remove any air pockets, or due to the new dimples.

There is a problem with a dimpled ball coming down through the sound barrier staying on course. Golf balls don't usually exceed the speed of sound, so its not a problem in that game. Whether there is any measureable improvement in the flight of a round ball at sub-sonic velocities that would justify the extra treatment to created uniform dimples, I don't know, and frankly doubt.

There are so many other factors that contribute to shooting PRBs accurately, that separating out dimples to test that one factor would require a wind tunnel, at minimum, and maybe a large vacuum chamber. Considering the obturation of the PRB in the rifling, and the misshapen lead projectile that leaves the barrel as a result, its hard to believe that any dimpling could overcome all these other factors.

Every Round Ball I have recovered clearly shows the lands and grooves, and most show the weaving in the cloth patch that was used in firing the PRB out the rifle. PRB shot out of smoothbore tend to be more oval shaped than round, and, depending on caliber or gauge, can actually show fattened sides where the ball upset in the barrel.

Keep in mind that the Round Ball is a projectile that was designed and intended to be shot at fairly short ranges. We hear of people shooting targets using the PRB at 200 yds, and no doubt it can be done. However, most RB are shot at 50 yds, or less, with 100 yds, considered to be the maximum distance you want to use them in a hunting situation, using traditional rifles or smoothbores, and open sights. The PRB has been used for more than 500 years. If something would make it more accurate to shoot, It would have been discovered more than 100 years ago, when the Industrial age began, and the PRB was at its height of use in both military and civilian applications. They may not have understood the aerodynamics of a golf ball back then, and their understand of ballistics was fairly primitive, but they put to test any idea that came along. There still exist round ball rifles made during the 1840s that exhibit extraordinary accuracy, and were used to shoot record scores in their day. You have to think that if people were capable of making accurate rifles back then, they would have also figured out some way to make round balls fly truer, too.
 
I was reading an article just last night by a fella name of James Byrd. He showed targets that he SUPPOSEDLY shot offhand with a 3rd model Bess. One target was SUPPOSEDLY 4 shots at 100 yds and had 1 in the Ten ring, 1 in the 9, and 2 touching in the 7 ring for a group of about 3"-4". Then he had an FBI silhouete at 200 yds. He SUPPOSEDLY fired 6 shots at it and his first shot was about 2 inches to the right of the head and the next 5 were all in the head. Its amazing what some EXPERTS write and expect us to believe. This guy sounds like Toby Bridges in reverse.
 
I remember having read about the golfball-effect. I´m not sure if it was in a book or a german forum.

However, to come a bit closer to a golfball surface you can put a few balls into a glass or maybe an empty vine-bottle and then shake it for a while.

If they really fly better I can not tell, maybe it´s just kind of a placebo-effect.

But it surely is not the worst if you cast the bullets yourself. The marks from where the lead was filled in - I don´t know the right english expression - dissapear a bit from treating the balls this way. And this can not be bad for accuracy.

Many greetings from germany

romeoh
 
I shoot a potsdam smoothbore with the N-SSA. It is about .72 cal and I have been shooting what I call rolled (dimpled) balls for awhile. I roll them between course files. I do this to increase the dia. of the ball and it gives the ball a surface that holds the grease real nice. We are not allowed to shoot a patched ball so we need a fairly snug fit but still need to get it down the bore during the match. The match is a wild 3 min. shoot and you shoot as fast as possible. We shoot at 25 and 50 yards and I am not sure about the relationship with the golf ball and it's flight. I think it is simply the increase in ball size. If I had a larger mold, I probably would not fool around with the files. But I do love to expirement. I keep trying to explain that to the wife.
 
Okay, all I know is I USED to play golf...an there ain't NO way I want my lead balls to do what that white dimpled thing did! least with these i ain't gotta chase'em...but they do make great targets! :shocked2: RC
 
actually they have not come up with an official word for what i could do...but it won't be "pretty" :shake: RC
 
I gave up golf three times. The first two times I let someone talk me back into it. These days the greens fees alone keep me out of it. Haw Haw! :rotf: :youcrazy: :shake: :shocked2:
God bless.
volatpluvia
 
Keep it simple and it will be fun. Powder, patch, and ball. Period. Dimples belong on golf balls and Shirley Temple, not on muzzleloading projectiles.
 
RC: Don't feel badly: The only time I have ever tried to hit a golf ball off a tee it went up into the air and landed 20 feet behind us. The two kids who had played golf enough to be able to hit a ball, and were using their father's clubs to practice for a father/son gold outing, stared in total disbelief, and then asked me how I did that. All I could answer was; " Hey!, Why are you asking me? You guys are the golfer!". I decided right then and there that God did not intend for me to chase little white balls over the landscape, and concentrated my efforts on archery and then shooting. I have never regretted that decision.

Paul
 
RC: Don't feel bad: The only time I have ever tried to hit a golf ball off a tee it went up into the air and landed 20 feet behind us. The two kids who had played golf enough to be able to hit a ball, and were using their father's clubs to practice for a father/son gold outing, stared in total disbelief, and then asked me how I did that. All I could answer was; " Hey!, Why are you asking me? You guys are the golfer!". I decided right then and there that God did not intend for me to chase little white balls over the landscape, and concentrated my efforts on archery and then shooting. I have never regretted that decision.

Paul
 
One of my father's disappointments in life was that the golf "bug" never bit me. Dad was a big golf enthusiast but I preferred to go shooting with my Grandfather. Now I spend hours on this forum - see where the shooting habit will get you! :haha:
 
Bob Gular said:
Keep it simple and it will be fun. Powder, patch, and ball. Period. Dimples belong on golf balls and Shirley Temple, not on muzzleloading projectiles.
I know where there's a dimple I admire, but I ain't namin' no names. :blah:
 

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