Dixie Jager

[Stumpkiller]

The Hatfield Squirrel Rifle, Davide Pedersoli Frontier and Cabela's Blue Ridge are the same rifle. Same dies, same jigs, different distributors. For all I know, Pedersoli made all three. They currently produce the rifle for Cabela's.

I know Ted Hatfield sold a rifle under his name in the 1980's. It was never proven that he based it on an original, as was claimed. Like Milli Vanilli lip-sinking. A big scandal at the time.

Moot point. The point was that Pedersoli tends to market their rifles as being "faithful" reproductions, when in fact they are not. They should describe them as sporting muzzleloaders or some such.

 

[Tahquamenon]

:haha:

Then if noone has seen it then perhaps using it as an example to describe something does not support much (or any) real comparison.

:haha:

 

[Tahquamenon]

The point was that Pedersoli tends to market their rifles as being "faithful" reproductions, when in fact they are not. They should describe them as sporting muzzleloaders or some such.

:agree:

 

Stumpkiller, is this not like arguing with a box of sticks?

 

[Stumpkiller]

Quiet! I got an :agree: and I'm leaving it at that.

On a positive note: the Dixie J

 

[RussB]

I was at a Gun Show a couple of months back and looked at a Hatfield. The fellow put on a pretty good spiel about how one year was better than the other, and of course the rifle he was selling would have been numbero uno within that time frame.
Although I've heard of these rifles quite a bit, this may have been the first one I have ever seen.
I was impressed with the wood / metal fit. The sight appeared to be from a Winchester....not at all what I was expecting. I think if I were to put that much money in a rifle I would be expecting just a little bit more. The accessories he was throwing in was pretty nice....especially the horn.
This may have been a great deal, I don't know. I probably just need to get out more.

Russ

 

[Rebel]

Well, it is definately not what Pedersoli is selling as an Exact copy of. This one has barrel wedges holding the barrel on, where as the Pedersoli has two small screws that go up through holes in the ramrod thimbles to hold it. Not sure i would pay $700 for it though, especially being a caplock.

 

RussB,.... While at a rendezvous close to Jackson Hole Wyoming in 1990, I traded for a Hatfield .50 flinter thet a fella said had been hang'n on a wall in a cafe.

I have no doubts thet's wher it had been, because it was covered with a fine grease and dust.

Funny thing is,.... it didn't have the "wedge keys" like the one in yore photo which is supposed to be from pre-1996!! :: :hmm:

........ in fact thet's the only Hatfield I've ever seen with "wedge keys"!! :results:

YMHS
rollingb

 

[RussB]

RussB,.... While at a rendezvous close to Jackson Hole Wyoming in 1990, I traded for a Hatfield .50 flinter thet a fella said had been hang'n on a wall in a cafe.
I have no doubts thet's wher it had been, because it was covered with a fine grease and dust.
Funny thing is,.... it didn't have the "wedge keys" like the one in yore photo which is supposed to be from pre-1996!! :: :hmm:
........ in fact thet's the only Hatfield I've ever seen with "wedge keys"!! :results:

YMHS
rollingb

:crackup: :crackup: Since that may well be the "only" one I've ever seen, I would sure hate to tell folks that they came with two wedge keys, and a full buckhorn sight....... ::

What you see, is what I saw. It clearly has "HATFIELD" stamped on it. Perhaps the fellow knew what he was talking about. He put a lot of "faith" in that pre 1966, but maybe he didn't realize that 1990 was pre 1996 also :haha:

I don't have a clue. I liked the triggers on the gun, but I didn't think they were worth 700 beans.
That sight is a full buckhorn, and looks identical to a sight that Winchester use to make for their cartridge rifles....at least it looked that way to me.

I truthfully don't know. As I said, that may have been a great price on that gun, and I let one get away due to my ignorance.

Russ

 

RussB,.... You know,.... the more I think about it, ALL HATFIELDS are probably "pre-1996". :hmm: :crackup:

It's kind'a hard to tell tho, because they'd shut down production, then start back up agin,.... and I'm not sure what year it was thet they quit completely!!

I know for a fact, thet they weren't make'n rifles when I traded for the one I had, 'cause I called'em after I traded for it!!

They still had a Missouri address, telephone no., and stocked parts in 1990!! (ther locks were made by Pedersoli)

YMHS
rollingb

 

[tg]

it may be of little consulation to those looking for a low priced PC gun, but very often you will see many guns on TOW that are in the 200-300 dollar range that are no more PC than many of the factory guns, wrong locks, browned barrels or straight barrels in the wrong time period, wrong type of wood and on and on... and people gobble them up for the big bucks, and they have no more than if they had went shopping in Italy as far as having a PC gun is conserned.

 

[caneman]

This thread has convinced me I made the correct decision. I'll never try for PC. Just enjoy shooting.

 

[Stumpkiller]

Does the same go for your tinderbox?

 

[Bearbait2]

Mr. Stumpkiller,
Depends on how heavy the rain is and how cold the wife may be.

 

This thread has convinced me I made the correct decision. I'll never try for PC. Just enjoy shooting.

This thread has convinced me of sumpthin too,.... which is,.... some folks put more faith in "commercial advertise'n babble" then historical references. :haha:

rollingb

 

[Tahquamenon]

This thread beg's the question;

"Ok, so what sources, makers, models and versions are PC?"

I think it would be a real value to have a verified list of true period correct weaponry.

Anyone else?

 

[tg]

I think it would be a rather short list with the tendency to use straight barrels, lots of Siler locks and a host of other "stock" items stretched for use on many guns, but most are close if you are not looking for a specific type of gun particularly the later guns.

 

[blackhorse]

I wish to start off by asking any who are offended to forgive me. AND I truly appreciate all the knowlege and expertise that was shared. I got my DGW Jaeger kit yesterday. I like it and as far as I am concerned it is a representation of a flintlock rifle the was produced back when. Becuase firearms are the macho part of this sport I suppose that is why there is so much emphasise on them. I was a PC nazi a few years back. Every garment and accrutement was hand sewn. All by me. I even have a hand sewn frock coat. I made everything and I have one of the better smoothbores on the market. The only person that really cared was me. I went to events where people spent thousands on a gun but had modern photo sensitive eyewear. Guys wearing buckskins and tennis shoes. WHite women dressed in Native garb with chouffier hair styles. I did not give up I am now just pleasin' myself. If some experts want to sit around a fire and pick on my gun we can talk, discuss or fight I don't care. I own horses that I use in this hobby and as a matter of fact I make 3/4 of my income with horses. What percentage of people in this hobby use horses, thats as PC as you can get. Dan Boone, SImon Girty, Jed Smith, Sublette all through the gammet these guys used horses. Hell Many events don't even allow horse becuase they "stink". Most events are people dressing half funny and camping. Owning horses is a whole lot harder than cleaning a $2000.00 gun. And another thing, I did get tired of the one upmenship. (I own a gun built by Blah Blah or I own a knife made by Blah Blah) Theres enough of that in the real world. The bottom line is that I get out there and do. Enough ranting for now, And again Please Forgive Me if You Are Offended.

 

Like I said, you will love it. I shot my TOTW Jaeger yesterday and it still doesn't shoot as straight as my ol' Dixie Jaeger. I'm afraid I'm not going to get over the flinching problem but the Pedersoli lock is faster than my Davis. As a matter of fact I'm using my GPR percussion(haven't shot it yet:shocking at a shooting match here in a few hours. Good luck on your build and let us know how it's going.

 

[tg]

No offense was taken here, when the issue of PC or historical correct guns comes up many just respong with the facts that their research has provided, often it may not be what someone wants to hear but I do not think it is meant as a slam as such just a clarification, which I believe is a good thing for those who are looking for a gun that is close to what the originals were like....not an issue of better or worse just different as far as replicating something from the past, the vendors and builders who perpetuate a lot of myths so to speak are not serving the public well by telling them what they want to hear in my opinion.