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Do you have to do an FFL transfer of a muzzleloader in Va. ??
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NJ is screwed but honestly, NY should be split into two states, The Bouroughs, LI and Westchester, then the rest of the state
Having seen the Gradual Erosion of N.J. 2a Freedom,s. Thus my disdain for them.
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Maybe 'they' should worry about all the 'ghost guns' first before 'they' worry about an un-concealable, five-foot long single shot musket, huh? The de-farbers will 'move' a serial number from the top of a barrel to a hidden spot under the stock specifically to comply with such laws.
Hochul's new gun control edict has made muzzleloaders firearms
Thank goodness, we were so worried that the stagecoach was going to be robbed !
When I got my concealed carry permit in Virginia I asked if they needed any info on my firearms. The reply was no, firearms aren't registered in Virginia.
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That's the thing you can't use an FFL transfer if the gun won't be registered on the other end . Not a lawyer but I have done alot if NCIS checks and transfers
I would not be surprised if a home built muzzleloader falls under New York's definition of Ghost Gun
IF you get a kit for a Remington 1858, defarb it by taking off the serial number, etc..., and then later get a cylinder to convert it, yes it would.
LD
What about a Kibler kit? I don't think they have serial numbers.
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You don't have to use an FFL for a MUZZLELOADER
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How does this relate to calibers over .50? I was sure the atf had something about over 50 being a destructive device or ??? fortunately muzzleloaders were exempt as they aren't "classified" as firearms.
Good question
The key to what I was pointing out is the "conversion" to modern ammo.
There are folks that do this but think that by disassembly the revolver is now back to being an antique firearm.
Which is fine unless somebody gets involved in a scenario where Law Enforcement gets involved, and the user is not the person who did the conversion, but bought it converted.
It's kinda like hazmat stuff..., it doesn't matter what the stuff actually is, for when it gets placed in a hazmat container, it becomes a hazmat material. I remember a person at a naval hospital was moving out of his apartment, and used garbage bags marked for hazmat to toss his unwanted junk, and even though he could've tossed the stuff in lawn/leaf bags without penalty, once he tossed the stuff in the hazmat bags, that was a massive violation.
So if somebody gets into a legal scrape and tells the prosecution they bought the revolver from Joe Sixpack and it came with a BP and a conversion cylinder, OR it came ready for BP but Joe sent along in a different box, a conversion cylinder (so long as it's already fitted and drops right in), that's bad for the new owner and for Joe. That's one of the reasons why such devices may not be sold via classifieds or even appear in the photos here at the Forum
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In regard.s to the original question see post #16
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Wow, I have to admit that even California isn't as stupid as NJ, at least not yet!
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Interesting question, as a seller what's the penalty for one from a state that doesn't require FFL paperwork shipping to a buyer in a state that does (i.e. Illinois) for muzzleloader ?
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Every state different. I wanted to buy a BP revolver last year from a guy in NY. He said Required it be sent to FFL. I said MD no ffl needed, send to my house.
He couldn’t. NY reqires sales go to an FFL regardless of destination state laws. Kaboshed that transaction.
He couldn’t. NY reqires sales go to an FFL regardless of destination state laws. Kaboshed that transaction.
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