Does anyone know what this rifle is?

[JFS]

Does anyone know what kind of rifle this is and is it just too beat up to have value? It was my mothers and I don’t know anything about it except she kept it under her bed her whole adult life.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

It would help to see the lock side.

 

[Kansas Jake]

Comfortably Numb is right on the need to see the other side. The only thing my limited knowledge would add is appears to be a surplus military piece that was likely shortened and sold to use as a shotgun. More pictures and bore size may allow the educated ones here to say what it may have been originally been.

 

[BoomStick]

Stamps or marks near the breech end of the barrel, if any, might help as well.

 

[ppg1949]

Good photo of the whole gun. Nice job.

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

was it loaded?

 

[Hatchet Jack]

Old and nasty is what it is.

 

[oldwood]

A lock photo could tell what this conglomeration of parts represents.

 

[Mulebrain]

Shortened cut down military musket, with minimal value. Around 300.00 in parts value

 

[Chingachgook777]

Yeah that's looking like a chopped down military musket.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Shortened cut down military musket, with minimal value. Around 300.00 in parts value

Very optimistic pricing!

 

[NorthFork]

Very optimistic pricing!

As it's missing at minimum the hammer (unless it's a mule ear lock) and very possibly the entire lock based on photos, I'd say your right!

 

[appalichian hunter]

Let's see the lock side and if you have the lock.

 

[appalichian hunter]

It's not a mule ear unless someone re-locked it and from what I can see it still has the up-right bolster for a vent, on a SWAG could be a cut down 1842 Springfield. More pics and a close up pic of the side plate would be nice if you look there seems to be a stamp mark center of the side plate. An original 42 lock in half decent shape is worth 300.00 dollars alone trigger guard, trigger and butt plate, side plate and lock bolts add at least another 100 to 150. The lock bolts to me do not look original perhaps re-placements If a 42 they should be flat topped not domed.

 

[JFS]

Here is the other side. It is really beat up

 

[appalichian hunter]

Ill stick with a cut down 1842 Shes been through the ringer though.

 

[Trot]

Bolster and triggerguard are wrong for an 1842, lock shape is wrong as well. Some sort of foreign musket I would say.

 

[Grayrock Volunteer]

It is a shortened German musket after the Prussian M1839 pattern. A number of small states used muskets based on the Prussian M1839. These are usually only distinguished by buttplate markings or rear sights in the case of rifled examples. The lack of a raised cheek rest is interesting. Look on the top of the buttplate tang to see if there is anything there that can help us identify the State it belonged to.

 

[JFS]

Here is the other side. It is really beat upView attachment 239377

 

[vintovka]

Reminds me of some guns i donated to the Sutters Fort display All were local indian owned ones.