DOES IT EVER GET CLEAN?

[flashpoint]

Sometimes, in the middle of the night, I wake up in a cold sweat and wonder if I really cleaned my Seneca .45 as thoroughly as possible? Maybe I was fooling myself into thinking that it REALLY was clean, but in my blurred imagination I just know that at the deep, dark the end of the bore lurks a fowl, cesspool of black powder, rust, goo and other stuff that has never seen the light of day; but will continue to torment me all the days of my life. If I could just get my hand down there somehow and scoop out that mess out what a relief that would be. So I shot my gun the other day 70 grains of FFG), came home and immediately used maybe 3 or 4 patches soaked with TC bore cleaner (not shown). Then I immersed the barrel in mildly hot water with a generous squirt of murphy's soap. I then swabbed the barrel out maybe a dozen times or more while changing the water until it was perfectly clear. As the picture shows, I ran through 8 patches until #8 came out relatively clean. Now, the fact #8 was clean, is that because the bore was now dry and nothing else would rub off or is the bore still not clean or is it clean? I only use mink oil as my lube and never use Hoppes or any other kind of oil to keep out the rust. I only use Barricade to protect the bore after cleaning. does anyone have any thoughts on this or do you all sleep peacefully throughout the night

 

[deerstalkert]

its clean. i do the same with mine and check with a bore scope. gives me nightmares. but the reality is i see a super thin build up of carbon in the grooves and think its dirty. a oiled patch is all thats needed to be able to sleep at night.











did i just clean that .54 gpr?

 

[Ranger94]

You are fine. Move on to other problems.

 

[necchi]

I use several different kinds of actual petroleum gun oils to protect my guns after cleaning and in storage.
I also remove those oils completely before I shoot them again. It's the 21st century, not rocket science,,

 

[deerstalkert]

Sometimes, in the middle of the night, I wake up in a cold sweat and wonder if I really cleaned my Seneca .45 as thoroughly as possible? Maybe I was fooling myself into thinking that it REALLY was clean, but in my blurred imagination I just know that at the deep, dark the end of the bore lurks a fowl, cesspool of black powder, rust, goo and other stuff that has never seen the light of day; but will continue to torment me all the days of my life. If I could just get my hand down there somehow and scoop out that mess out what a relief that would be. So I shot my gun the other day 70 grains of FFG), came home and immediately used maybe 3 or 4 patches soaked with TC bore cleaner (not shown). Then I immersed the barrel in mildly hot water with a generous squirt of murphy's soap. I then swabbed the barrel out maybe a dozen times or more while changing the water until it was perfectly clear. As the picture shows, I ran through 8 patches until #8 came out relatively clean. Now, the fact #8 was clean, is that because the bore was now dry and nothing else would rub off or is the bore still not clean or is it clean? I only use mink oil as my lube and never use Hoppes or any other kind of oil to keep out the rust. I only use Barricade to protect the bore after cleaning. does anyone have any thoughts on this or do you all sleep peacefully throughout the night

i have come to the conclusion that thar red smutt on the patches is a reaction with your lube and has not much to do with bp residue. when you get as clean as #8 hit it with a good clp product like Necchi uses and give your attention to your wife.

 

[tenngun]

Most oils or stuff like bore butter will brown in the air. So after being in a bore a bit will look like the demon rust
But how does it feel when running a patch down? Does it drag or chatter? I’m betting no
Shot or not I do a monthly swab on my guns. I used to have your same fears. But it’s just browned oil.
Take a spoon full of lard or mink oil, or the much condemned bore butter, Put it out. And in a month or two you will see it brown. It’s not rust, you have nothing to rust, it’s just air browned
I have two guns with white barrels. I can see rust right off. But they have a wipe of grease in them, usually mink oil. Sure enough when I wipe with a clean patch they show brown on the patch.
Nought to worry about.
Still….. live in fear of the demon and take steps to keep him away from your guns

 

[Davey Boy]

Overcleaning a muzzleloader probably reduces its life by hundreds of years.

You should really consider storing your muzzleloader in a nitrogen atmosphere as well.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Sometimes, in the middle of the night, I wake up in a cold sweat and wonder if I really cleaned my Seneca .45 as thoroughly as possible? Maybe I was fooling myself into thinking that it REALLY was clean, but in my blurred imagination I just know that at the deep, dark the end of the bore lurks a fowl, cesspool of black powder, rust, goo and other stuff that has never seen the light of day; but will continue to torment me all the days of my life. If I could just get my hand down there somehow and scoop out that mess out what a relief that would be. So I shot my gun the other day 70 grains of FFG), came home and immediately used maybe 3 or 4 patches soaked with TC bore cleaner (not shown). Then I immersed the barrel in mildly hot water with a generous squirt of murphy's soap. I then swabbed the barrel out maybe a dozen times or more while changing the water until it was perfectly clear. As the picture shows, I ran through 8 patches until #8 came out relatively clean. Now, the fact #8 was clean, is that because the bore was now dry and nothing else would rub off or is the bore still not clean or is it clean? I only use mink oil as my lube and never use Hoppes or any other kind of oil to keep out the rust. I only use Barricade to protect the bore after cleaning. does anyone have any thoughts on this or do you all sleep peacefully throughout the night

Why are your patches so rusty? I never get orange patches out of my guns.

 

[Shadowalker164]

After cleaning my ML’s and storing them for weeks I would get orange streaks, pretty sure it is rust. Started using one T17 firearm wipe as a cleaning patch after last cloth cleaning patch. No more rusty patches!

 

[david58]

I have found RIG to work very well to keep the rust away. Not just here in NM, but when I lived in western Oregon, too.

David
NM

 

[Dale Allen Raby]

Cleaning a gun is like demonstrating Zeno's paradox: Each time you run a patch and jag down the bore, you will remove more crud, but each time it will be less and less. You will never ever be able to remove all the crud, though, and there is no point as the next time you shoot, you will deposit more crud.

Another name for crud is "seasoning". Seasoning is good.

 

[The Crisco Kid]

Ditto on the Rig. I've used it for decades. I had my 45 flintlock stored in a closet in SE Alaska for several years where it rains 120 inches or more a year. A heavy coat of Rig in the bore and all the metal kept it in fine shape.

 

[JeffG]

NOTHING is worse than finding crud and rust in a beloved firearm! Being the suspicious sort of guy. I clean the day of shooting, sometimes the next day also. Then 3 days after, three weeks after, and then if it's stored, every three months. You'd be surprised what you find. Sorry if I cause you more anxiety, individual results may vary.

 

[flashpoint]

its clean. i do the same with mine and check with a bore scope. gives me nightmares. but the reality is i see a super thin build up of carbon in the grooves and think its dirty. a oiled patch is all thats needed to be able to sleep at night.











did i just clean that .54 gpr?

Thank you brother.

 

[flashpoint]

i have come to the conclusion that thar red smutt on the patches is a reaction with your lube and has not much to do with bp residue. when you get as clean as #8 hit it with a good clp product like Necchi uses and give your attention to your wife.

Now THAT'S good advice in the middle of the night.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

Is there a Doctor in the House?

 

[akroguy]

I stopped using hot water and the flash rusting stopped. No more endless brown/orange patches. Just room temp soapy water followed by a patch with some light oil and good to go.

 

[Dale Allen Raby]

I stopped using hot water and the flash rusting stopped. No more endless brown/orange patches. Just room temp soapy water followed by a patch with some light oil and good to go.

What do you lube with? I don't see flash rusting. Am I doing something wrong?

 

[user 53891]

Sometimes, in the middle of the night, I wake up in a cold sweat and wonder if I really cleaned my Seneca .45 as thoroughly as possible? Maybe I was fooling myself into thinking that it REALLY was clean, but in my blurred imagination I just know that at the deep, dark the end of the bore lurks a fowl, cesspool of black powder, rust, goo and other stuff that has never seen the light of day; but will continue to torment me all the days of my life. If I could just get my hand down there somehow and scoop out that mess out what a relief that would be. So I shot my gun the other day 70 grains of FFG), came home and immediately used maybe 3 or 4 patches soaked with TC bore cleaner (not shown). Then I immersed the barrel in mildly hot water with a generous squirt of murphy's soap. I then swabbed the barrel out maybe a dozen times or more while changing the water until it was perfectly clear. As the picture shows, I ran through 8 patches until #8 came out relatively clean. Now, the fact #8 was clean, is that because the bore was now dry and nothing else would rub off or is the bore still not clean or is it clean? I only use mink oil as my lube and never use Hoppes or any other kind of oil to keep out the rust. I only use Barricade to protect the bore after cleaning. does anyone have any thoughts on this or do you all sleep peacefully throughout the night

All the dirt was rubbed off #8 in the bore and it is still lurking in there

 

[akroguy]

I just use 3 in 1 oil or whatever is in the shop at the time. When the water evaporates off the hot steel, rapidly, it can cause light oxidation....not sure the scientific reasons behind it but when I stopped using hot water, I was able to get clean patches once the fouling is gone. Some have stated here that the heated steel "pores" or "grain" of the metal opens up and allows old fouling and/or rust to come out, but more starts back in the same metal so it never goes away....?