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Pa. Flint locks only during late season. Hope it dose't change.
It's already changed. I've read you can use sabots now. A flintlock shooting sabots? How bad can it get?
Pa. Flint locks only during late season. Hope it dose't change.
I don't know the dates off hand, and I'm not sure if you could classify them as "primitive" (note quotes) muzzleloading seasons.
Be that as it may, during the muzzleloader seasons in Idaho, modern in-lines are specifically prohibited. As are pelletized powder, sabots, 209 primes, and optical sights (unless you are visually impaired and have a permit. Then you can use a non-magnifying optical sight.)
Idaho has separate seasons for whitetail deer, black tail deer, Elk, Moose, Mountain Goat, Big Horn Sheep, Mountain Lion/Puma/Cougar, Antelope, Black Bear, and Two kinds of Turkey.
The archers, shotgunner's, and traditional sidelock muzzleloaders, only share the "Short Range Weapons" seasons.
Inline muzzleloaders can only be used in the "any weapon" and "rifle" seasons.
I don't know if it is a handicap, but the archers can only use a fixed blade broadhead. Expanding broadheads are forbidden at all times, regardless of if using a long bow, recurve bow, compound bow, or crossbow. (You do need a handicapped permit to use the crossbow, except in the "any weapons" seasons, if memory serves. You may need it then, as well.)
Minimum caliber for deer and the cat with a muzzleloader is .45. Everything else is .50.
The regulations say the projectile "Has to be with-in 0.01 inches of the bore diameter." You can use PRB or 100% lead non-gas checked conicals. Sabots, as mentioned above, are prohibited during all of the muzzleloader and "Short Range Weapons" seasons.
I don't know the dates off hand, and I'm not sure if you could classify them as "primitive" (note quotes) muzzleloading seasons.
Be that as it may, during the muzzleloader seasons in Idaho, modern in-lines are specifically prohibited. As are pelletized powder, sabots, 209 primes, and optical sights (unless you are visually impaired and have a permit. Then you can use a non-magnifying optical sight.)
Idaho has separate seasons for whitetail deer, black tail deer, Elk, Moose, Mountain Goat, Big Horn Sheep, Mountain Lion/Puma/Cougar, Antelope, Black Bear, and Two kinds of Turkey.
The archers, shotgunner's, and traditional sidelock muzzleloaders, only share the "Short Range Weapons" seasons.
Inline muzzleloaders can only be used in the "any weapon" and "rifle" seasons.
I don't know if it is a handicap, but the archers can only use a fixed blade broadhead. Expanding broadheads are forbidden at all times, regardless of if using a long bow, recurve bow, compound bow, or crossbow. (You do need a handicapped permit to use the crossbow, except in the "any weapons" seasons, if memory serves. You may need it then, as well.)
Minimum caliber for deer and the cat with a muzzleloader is .45. Everything else is .50.
The regulations say the projectile "Has to be with-in 0.01 inches of the bore diameter." You can use PRB or 100% lead non-gas checked conicals. Sabots, as mentioned above, are prohibited during all of the muzzleloader and "Short Range Weapons" seasons.
209 caps are still specifically prohibited. "Flintlock, Percussion Caps and Musket Caps Only". Do any inlines use number 10/11 percussion caps, or musket caps?In-lines actually CAN be used during muzzleloader only seasons in Idaho. It doesn't specifically say no in-lines, it just says that it must be "equipped with an ignition system that leaves any portion of the cap exposed when cocked and ready to fire". (Rule #7) That does throw some in-lines out of the mix, but there are many that fit that rule.
Here is a link to the "equipment during muzzleloader only season" rules. Note the second picture showing an example of "open ignition".
https://idfg.idaho.gov/hunt/weapons/muzzleloader
209 caps are still specifically prohibited. "Flintlock, Percussion Caps and Musket Caps Only". Do any inlines use number 10/11 percussion caps, or musket caps?
So far as I know, there is no such thing as an inline flintlock rile or smooth bore.
Pelletized powders, Sabots and gas-checked bullets, are also specifically prohibited, along with optical sights.
Admittedly, those with an inline can/could use loose powder and the required "with-in 0.01 inches of bore diameter" projectile, (round ball or conical) but it seems most would rather use a smaller, lighter, pistol bullet. I admit that makes less than zero sense to me.
Doubt the archery folks would agree to sharing season with muzzleloaders, traditional or modern. Remember them fighting hard to keep crossbows out of archery season in NY. Crossbows are now legal in NY, but basically treated like a muzzleloader.
The archery only hunters I know would flip the argument and ask why the ‘primitive’ muzzleloaders can’t just hunt with the ‘modern’ muzzleloaders?Well you need to look at the state, and see what really is going on. In Maryland, while the archers get the first 6 weeks or so to themselves for deer, they share the woods with squirrel hunters, and dove hunters who stand on the edge of the woodline. So claims that deer hunters with single shot rifles or shotguns would somehow ruin their hunting will need to show how a guy with a 20 gauge or 12 gauge pump going for squirrels or dove and thus shooting a lot more often as well as moving through the woods for squirrel is not doing the same thing. And since for the past couple of decades the seasons for deer-archery and squirrel/dove all open on the same day, without a hue-and-cry from the archers, then it's not a problem.
Especially if one was to put a "primitive" season at the very end of deer season after the woods have been heavily traveled by everybody...
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The archery only hunters I know would flip the argument and ask why the ‘primitive’ muzzleloaders can’t just hunt with the ‘modern’ muzzleloaders?
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