Double-Barreled Fowler

[hawkeye1755]

I have a question about a double-barreled gun.
The trader George Morgan from Bayton,Wharton and Morgan bought a double-barreled gun for 600 shillings.The best rifle they sell to any of his company hunters was 150 shillings.That is just 25% of the cost of Morgan's double-barreled fowler.
I have seen pics from french double-barreled fowlers but not an american one.I have the book about the American Fowling Pieces, but there is no double-barreled fowler.
Have anyone of you a double-barreled fowler or pics from one?
And what about the price?600 shillings?
Must be a special gun.
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[Mike Brooks]

It was more than likely made in England. they were very expensive.

 

[hawkeye1755]

Mike, have you any Photos of such fowlers or ever seen one?
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[Mike Brooks]

Mike, have you any Photos of such fowlers or ever seen one?
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What time period?

 

[hawkeye1755]

When you have, between 1765 and 1780.

Take a look at the French double-barrled gun ca.1750s-1770
Link
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[hawkeye1755]

Here are three pics from a very early Ketland double barrel flintlock fowler.Cal. about 20 bore, 37” oct to rnd bbls with smooth, concave, tapered rib marked “LONDON” on top. It has 4-1/2” long, slightly curved lockplates with beveled edge, gooseneck hammers & bridled frizzens. Mounted in a very early, English style, 1-pc half stock with iron nose pipe, that may be a replacement, secured by two wedges without escutcheons. It has brass trigger guard & buttplate. Trigger guard is very early style with wide, engraved bow and a long pineapple finial. Buttplate has a 3-stepped tang with light engraving.

I think the price for that gun on the auction was $1,150.00.

But will such a fowler cost 600 shillings?


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[Mike Brooks]

The one above is ca. 1790-1810 and probably restocked. i've never seen an english gun with that style of stock.
The earliest english double I've handled was about 1760-65 and made by William Bailes.
I don't know how much a shilling is, so I don't know how much 600 of them are. How many shillings to the pound?

 

[hawkeye1755]

£1 = 20 shilling = 240pence
£/s/d

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[Mike Brooks]

That's 30 pounds then. That's about right for a high end double and the freight to get it to north america. Are you refering to the Morgan the trader in southern Illinois? If so, wasn't that in the 1770's or 80's?

 

[hawkeye1755]

Yip, that's him.But i think he left Bayton,Wharton and Morgan in 1772 and forms a new partnership with his mother-in-law in 1775. The time must be between 1769-1771, when Col.J.Wilkins commanding[url] Ft.de[/url] Chartres.
So the 80s are to late.
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[hawkeye1755]

Mike, did you ever hear of the english gunmaker's "Sharpe & Keene",London? 18th Century.
Here are some pics.

English double-barrelled flintlock sporting gun, the waterproof locks engraved with maker's name "Sharpe & Keene" (London), twist barrels with brown finish, engraved steel trigger guard with pineapple finial, the overall length is 46inches.
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[paulvallandigham]

I don't think you can call this a " double Barrelled Fowler ". Its a DB shotgun, instead. But its very nice.

 

[Mike Brooks]

I have a Sharpe. The gun you pictured is 1800-1810 or there about. Pretty typical of English work of that time period.

 

[Mike Brooks]

Yip, that's him.But i think he left Bayton,Wharton and Morgan in 1772 and forms a new partnership with his mother-in-law in 1775. The time must be between 1769-1771, when Col.J.Wilkins commanding[url] Ft.de[/url] Chartres.
So the 80s are to late.
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English double guns were quite rare ca. 1769-1771. Probably part of the high price.

 

[clayman49]

Hi there, I'm interested in your comment "DB Shotgun" when the term "Double-Barreled Fowler" was used. Are you saying a fowler is not a shotgun!?

 

[paulvallandigham]

No, I believe that a fowler is a single barrel smoothbore flintlock, designed to be shot with both round ball and birdshot. Double barreled guns were called shotguns, except in a few rare instances. Some estate records are written by people who, like many lawyers today, don't know one gun from another, so you get a variety of names in inventory lists, both in the civil courts( probate records) and also in the military.

 

[hawkeye1755]

What do you think about this fowler.It is the only pic i have and no information.
French or English? :hmm:

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[Mike Brooks]

French

 

[Dave K]

Another addition to the drool factor..
[url] http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=75699770[/url]

 

[AkDan]

Boy, I was just going to ask what one of these beauts go for. Just wish there was something a little bigger then a 20. Be nice to find a 12 or 10.

Just curious though is that a double or single trigger on[url] gunbroker.com[/url]?