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jamesthomas

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I keep reading about folks draw filing their barrel. What is the purpose of this and how do you go about it? And does every barrel need it? Thanks. Maybe some before and after pictures would show the results also.
 
Draw filing is laying the file perpendicular to the barrel and pulling it towards you. It leaves a fairly smooth finish when done right.

The purpose is to take out machine marks, scratches, gouges, and i've heard people taking out manufacturer information to make their gun barrel nice and plain and not have writing on it. Its part of smooothing the flats on a barrel to get them to an even finish.

I'm sure more will come along with better explanation but here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dec78RQsokw

I personally enjoy Larry's videos. He seems like a genuine guy!
 
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Draw filing the barrel serves to remove the surface imperfections left behind from the machining process,

A good quality mill bastard file of about 10" or longer with the tang held in the left hand is drawn at 90* to the barrel (being careful to not round over the flats) until desired finish is achieved. A file card to clean the file as well as file chalk goes along way in reducing aggravation.

Most all new barrels should be draw filed though it is not necessary to do, the finished product just looks better.
 
Not all barrels require draw filing, some are fairly well finished from the builder.

Colerain barrels are fairly "rough" and I always file them. I have never had to file a Rice barrel and most times a Green Mountain needs little if any filing.

Depending on the kind of finish you want to get with the barrel after blue/browning you will sometimes leave it quite rough (if you want it to look old/used) or you will polish it to almost a mirror finish, obviously requiring more filing, sanding and polishing.
 
As the others said, the file is positioned crossways, 90 degrees from the direction that it will be moved.

Draw filing can be done either by pushing the file away from you or it can be drawn towards you.

If your going to do it pushing it away from you, locate the file tang on the right hand side.

If you going to want to file while pulling the file towards you, locate the files tang on the left.

As with all filing, the file should be lifted off of the metal on the return stroke.

Usually, the length of the stroke will be long enough to cut enough filings that they tend to jam into the files teeth.
Lightly coating the files teeth with blackboard chalk will help to keep the filings from sticking to the files teeth.

Keep an eye on these filings. If you allow them to build up and fill the file teeth they can weld themselves to the workpiece and then tear loose.
Needless to say, this will roughen up the surface.

A good file card or a wire brush is handy to keep the file teeth clean.
 
Here is a barrel being draw filed.

Grinding marks from the factory in the dark area on the side.
Filing ribbons that come off instead of chips if the file is sharp and kept clean with chalk.
What they look like when properly drawfiled and block sanded. Some like to leave them with just drawfile marks and brown over the top as this was commonly done on originals apparently.
The use of a barrel spinner greatly reduces the labor and keeps the file automatically flat against the work.
My thinking is make them file mark free , than sand blast, glass bead and let the rust blue or browning do any additional texturing that is wanted. Mike D.
 
I'v used green mountian and rice and did not have to. Had an old green river rifle works that I tried it on. gives a smooth finnish. Be very careful or, as siad above you can round your edges. If your barrel is already smooth fine emery cloth also works well making long hard strokes with a block and paper.
 
If you ever buy a gun,"in the white", be careful when draw filing. The top flat may have the dovetails already cut for the sights, and too much draw filing, will make the sight fit improperly. The side flats may already fit the stock, and over filing will make it loose in the stock. I would leave the bottom three flats alone, as no one can see them, and the barrel will not sit properly in the stock, if too much material is removed. I'm only talking about a gun, "in the white".
 
That's what I'm talking about! I have a Colerain 38" swamped barrel in .40 cal. and was wondering what a pre-drawed filed rifle looks like vs one that's been drawed filed. I'll have to give it a look and see how well its finished. Thanks to everybody!! :thumbsup: . Betcha I wasn't the only wondering what it was all about.
 
I've used Colerain,Rice and Getz and all had to be drawfiled....Colerain requiring the most filing and Getz the least.No longer use Getz because of availablity and now use only Rice bbls which lately require some filing.

I don't remove all remnants of the planer tool grooves because the etching from browning makes them "disappear". Also the 3 bottom flats don't get filed. The draw filing is done after the bbl and RR work is completed and is in fact done just before browning which is one of the final operations......Fred
 
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One big thing not mentioned is the draw filing theoretically keeps the edges crisp because the long 10" file held crosswise allows you to keep things square.
Why not smoth up the barrel with sand paper like an 80 grit, then 120, 220, 320. #320 is as fine as you want to go because you need a little roughness to create the rust/brown.
I would go to ACE hardware and buy an 18" flat bar and then use Elmer's Glue to glue sand paper to the bar. This keeps the paper tight to the bar and hence crisp edges.
The big advantage of sand paper is you don't have to worry about a file picking up bits of steel that gouge the finish.
 
crockett said:
The big advantage of sand paper is you don't have to worry about a file picking up bits of steel that gouge the finish.
Clean the file often with a wire brush. Some use chalk to help keep the file free of metal debris.
 
Bear in mind that one little oops with a chip not removed or otherwise drug across your barrel while drawfiling, and you can put in a scratch worse than the barrel was before you began. I now use different grits of emery cloth and skip the draw filing unless the barrel is very rough.
 
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Bear in mind that one little oops with a chip not removed or otherwise drug across your barrel while drawfiling, and you can put in a scratch worse than the barrel was before you began.

Never have had that happen, but I do card the file and replenish the chalk often.

Brownells used to sell a nifty fine cut dedicated draw file, works great as a final finish file. I detest sanding metal as there is so little return for the investment in time, all though wet & dry paper works very well with a light (cutting) oil as a lubricant and no worries about flash rust from using water.
 
This is one of those things that while simple and pretty straight forward, the exact method often varies from builder to builder.

It's also a process that is so simple yet incredibly hard to describe with the written word alone.

Also ideas of how smooth you get the barrel and what's accettable, and what's not, will vary to builder to builder. it depends on their style.

How I do it. Since I have worked on old cars since I was a kid and like most kids I had no money, I draw file a barrel like I true a cylinder head or cylinder block.
On a gun barrel the first thing I do is take a sharpie or majik marker and I draw a wavy line on the flat from edge to edge, from breech to muzzle. Now you could cover the whole flat if you wish but I've found a squiggly line is sufficient and saves time and ink.
Of course you need the barrel secure in a padded vise or something like the contraption mentioned above.
For the sake of sanity, I'm not going to get into to detail about which hand holds what. I do most stuff left handed but tests show after my head injury, I'm really right handed.
I start at the breech. I hold the file flat against the flat. Taking special care to be square so I do not round the edges or corners of the flat. I hold the file with both hands, one on each side of the barrel.
I may not hold at a perfect 90 degree angle but it is pretty close. I make two motions when I file. I make as long a Stoke down the barrel as I can comfortably and at the same time l am pushing the file across the flat. I run out of reach and file at the same time. I reposition and go again. I make sure I'm square. I keep an eye in my squiggly line and move on down the barrel to keep things even.

One thing you will find out is how uneven the barrel is. There will be high spots and low spots, humps and dips.

I'm not too concerned with scratches as a good clean file leaves a nice finish. Even if file marks are visible, in my opinion that's part of the charm.
Maybe I'm sentimental but the old masters left file marks, maybe a scratch here and there so I consider these marks made by the hand of man part of the charm of these guns.

I'll finish up with a fine Emory or sand paper backed. Use caution with the heavy grit papers because they can leave horrible scratches especially if they rip. I prefer a file for most of the work.
 
The different grades of emory cloth are the only decent material that I've used for sanding metal. I draw file a little different than Larry did in the video. I have to pull the file at an angle to the barrel, in order to pull the ribbons. Of course my files may be cut different. As a machinist, metal cutting was my life, and after 33 years, I guess you develop your own technique.
I also use a set of dial calipers, to keep a check on the width of the flats. Draw filing will eat some metal in a hurry, and especially on a swamped barrel, things can get out of control, and a lite weight barrel can be thinned quickly.
 
frogwalking is absolutely right- you can be draw filing for a while, everything is looking really good and then OH NO, a gouge deeper than the original milling marks.
So, yeah, I do draw file. Chalk the file and you can reduce the file brushing by being careful and moving the file over a little on each stroke so the part of the file that just removed material is to one side. You can do about three strokes that way and then brush the file. If you follow that routine you'll avoid the problem.
 
I've picked up a little trick that helps prevent galling and that is to wear a pair of light rubber faced glazing gloves while draw filing and give the file a back wipe of the gloved palm face with each stroke. It keeps the ribbons coming off,steel slivers out of your fingers and the teeth clean. I re-chalk about every ten strokes or so an do it more by how it feels through the light glove when chip clearing after every stroke, than anything else.
The use of the barrel spinner was a revelation to me for draw filing. Just happen to get the idea one day and gave it a try. Eureka, was all I could think and wouldn't do it any other way now. It makes the flattest most level flats I have ever draw filed because it's self adjusting and doesn't require you to keep the file perfectly level every time.It's also faster saving time and effort.
It also lets you know when you are not holding the file level because it rotates to one side or the other the amount you are off and still keeps the file flat to the intended plane of the work. Mike D.
 
The breechplug wont be the same height as the barrel once installed. It requires leveling. And when you inlay your barrel and install your sights and lugs the barrel ends up looking beat. Also manufacuturers leave behind mill marks quite often and you gotta make it look right. Draw filing is just that. Draw your file toward you with both hands on the file. Draw to you, take the file off the metal then go back to starting position and do it again. A labor of love but the finish is worth it over just jarring away with the file. Its essential to do that to barrels and other parts before you apply your final finishing.
 
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