Dryfiring percussion revolvers

[Nor'Easter]

Who would have guessed that practice with your sidearm would be "controversial".

 

[GYJ]

As I said, dry firing is a poor substitute for shooting. All you're learning is trigger management, with no recoil, no anticipation of recoil and no clue where the shot would have gone. That is all.

Practicing other movements is mutually exclusive. Never said you shouldn't practice reloads "dry".

If you're dry firing because you can't go shooting, then say that.

Again, are people here training for matches with their percussion guns?

 

[SDSmlf]

As I said, dry firing is a poor substitute for shooting. All you're learning is trigger management, with no recoil, no anticipation of recoil and no clue where the shot would have gone. That is all.

Practicing other movements is mutually exclusive. Never said you shouldn't practice reloads "dry".

If you're dry firing because you can't go shooting, then say that.

Again, are people here training for matches with their percussion guns?

Interesting approach. We always called recoil anticipation a flinch and worked hard to eliminate it. And for some reason many of the best shooters I know will show no movement in anticipation of recoil when someone else loads their gun for them and occasionally slips in a ‘non-firing’ load. Do the same with someone anticipating recoil (or flinching), typically someone struggling to shoot accurately, and they will about bury the muzzle of the gun in the dirt in front of them, particularly when working with heavier recoiling guns.

 

[WalnutRed]

I'm thinking of back when I trained for matches on Uncle Sams dime and we'd dry fire with a quarter resting on the muzzle. Supposed to have helped with follow though but what did we know.

 

[TNGhost]

Interesting approach. We always called recoil anticipation a flinch and worked hard to eliminate it. And for some reason many of the best shooters I know will show no movement in anticipation of recoil when someone else loads their gun for them and occasionally slips in a ‘non-firing’ load. Do the same with someone anticipating recoil (or flinching), typically someone struggling to shoot accurately, and they will about bury the muzzle of the gun in the dirt in front of them, particularly when working with heavier recoiling guns.

We called it a "ball and dummy" drill, and had someone else load your gun with live (ball) and inert (dummy) rounds at random. Good for diagnosing "flinching" and working on correcting it. Also good for training what to do with a revolver (just pull the trigger dummy and don't stand their looking at your gun) or auto (tap, rack bang) in the case of a dud round

I'm thinking of back when I trained for matches on Uncle Sams dime and we'd dry fire with a quarter resting on the muzzle. Supposed to have helped with follow though but what did we know.

I remember doing something like that too.

 

[SDSmlf]

We called it a "ball and dummy" drill, and had someone else load your gun with live (ball) and inert (dummy) rounds at random. Good for diagnosing "flinching" and working on correcting it.

Figured calling it a ‘ball and dummy’ drill would be lost on some.

 

[TNGhost]

As I said, dry firing is a poor substitute for shooting. All you're learning is trigger management, with no recoil, no anticipation of recoil and no clue where the shot would have gone. That is all.

Practicing other movements is mutually exclusive. Never said you shouldn't practice reloads "dry".

If you're dry firing because you can't go shooting, then say that.

Again, are people here training for matches with their percussion guns?

Yes, I believe there are people here that compete with their percussion guns

Other than local events, there are those with the NRA, SASS, NMLRA and NSSA and we even have postal matches here in one of the subforums that sometimes are geared toward C&B revolvers.

 

[GYJ]

Interesting approach. We always called recoil anticipation a flinch and worked hard to eliminate it. And for some reason many of the best shooters I know will show no movement in anticipation of recoil when someone else loads their gun for them and occasionally slips in a ‘non-firing’ load. Do the same with someone anticipating recoil (or flinching), typically someone struggling to shoot accurately, and they will about bury the muzzle of the gun in the dirt in front of them, particularly when working with heavier recoiling guns.

Exactly. Why would you flinch if you know it's empty? You wouldn't.

If you already have a flinch, dry firing incessantly all day long won't do a thing to help it.

 

[TNGhost]

If you already have a flinch, dry firing incessantly all day long won't do a thing to help it.

Yes it will. Repeat the motion enough times and it becomes automatic that you follow through and don't anticipate the recoil, loaded or not.

 

[GYJ]

Yes it will. Repeat the motion enough times and it becomes automatic that you follow through and don't anticipate the recoil, loaded or not.

No it won't. As I already said, there won't be any anticipating recoil when you know the gun is empty. Flinching has nothing to do with muscle memory. It's 100% mental.

 

[French Colonial]

30 shots on the B27, you can see where I jerked the trigger....

Guess maybe that dry firing helped some eh?

 

[FishDFly]

Exactly. Why would you flinch if you know it's empty? You wouldn't.

If you already have a flinch, dry firing incessantly all day long won't do a thing to help it.

Dry firing is not about flinching, it is about teaching the sub-conscious mind.

You should get the book, With Winning In Mind", you could learn a lot about shooting. Another good book is "The Pistol Shooter's Treasury.

Pistol shooting is 90% mental and 10 physical.

 

[FishDFly]

30 shots on the B27, you can see where I jerked the trigger....

Guess maybe that dry firing helped some eh?

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Nah, you took yours eyes off the sights.

 

[Mogadishu Meanderer]

As I said, dry firing is a poor substitute for shooting.

I think no one has said that is substitute for shooting. Obviously there is no substitute for that but to do it. Dry firing is just another training exercise that allows you to accomplish multiple tasking at once, like your proper stance (natural pint of aim), sight alignment, sight picture, trigger control, breathing, weapon manipulation, etc…Lots of shootings mistake can not be perceived when firing live ammunition but easily spotted when dry firing. I am not sure why you are so critical of it, the best shooters in the world constantly do it!

 

[TNGhost]

Dry firing is not about flinching, it is about teaching the sub-conscious mind.

You should get the book, With Winning In Mind", you could learn a lot about shooting. Another good book is "The Pistol Shooter's Treasury.

Pistol shooting is 90% mental and 10 physical.

Well said and echoes what my response was going to be. There is a reason that top shooters and athletes in general go through the routine of visualizing their upcoming performances.

I think no one has said that is substitute for shooting. Obviously there is no substitute for that but to do it. Dry firing is just another training exercise that allows you to accomplish multiple tasking at once, like your proper stance (natural pint of aim), sight alignment, sight picture, trigger control, breathing, weapon manipulation, etc…Lots of shootings mistake can not be perceived when firing live ammunition but easily spotted when dry firing. I am not sure why you are so critical of it, the best shooters in the world constantly do it!

Perhaps he is just looking for an "argument".

 

[TNGhost]

No it won't. As I already said, there won't be any anticipating recoil when you know the gun is empty. Flinching has nothing to do with muscle memory. It's 100% mental.

So you are saying your mind is untrainable without live firing?

 

[extreme_fudd]

I think no one has said that is substitute for shooting. Obviously there is no substitute for that but to do it. Dry firing is just another training exercise that allows you to accomplish multiple tasking at once, like your proper stance (natural pint of aim), sight alignment, sight picture, trigger control, breathing, weapon manipulation, etc…Lots of shootings mistake can not be perceived when firing live ammunition but easily spotted when dry firing. I am not sure why you are so critical of it, the best shooters in the world constantly do it!

Lanny Bassham made the US smallbore national team, solely by dry firing for two years. He was stationed in a place without a range, so he only dry fired. I would say that if you asked 10 distinguished shooters if they dry fire, ten would say yes. The only people that I've met that don't dry fire, are bad shooters.

 

[extreme_fudd]

Dry firing is not about flinching, it is about teaching the sub-conscious mind.

You should get the book, With Winning In Mind", you could learn a lot about shooting. Another good book is "The Pistol Shooter's Treasury.

Pistol shooting is 90% mental and 10 physical.

That's a great book, I would also recommend any of Heinz Reinkemeier books. His youtube channel also has some great stuff on it.

 

[extreme_fudd]

30 shots on the B27, you can see where I jerked the trigger....

Guess maybe that dry firing helped some eh?

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At what distance did you shoot this?

 

[Smokerr]

I only care and am interested in mechanical end. Everyone else is free to have their view on the rest

I quit