Duel Survival-Black Powder & a Flintlock

[akapennypincher]

No one mentioned the SHOW Duel Survival,Slash and Burn with Dave Canterbury Cody Lundin where they USE Burning Black Powder to Knife Wound, or the Flintlock Rifle to Start Fire.

What do you guy watch Martha Stewart Living? :rotf:

 

[Kentuckywindage]

that was a great episode! The T-P they made was awesome as well.

Shame they didnt pop anything with the flintlock though. I liked how they made the fire with just the flintlocks, lock.

 

[necchi]

"That's gonna leave a Mark!"

 

[misher]

I remember in "Drums Along the Mohawk" when he got his new wife to the cabin in the rain it shows him with his powder horn starting the fire.

 

[Pete Gaimari]

Ouch!

 

[rabjr]

I did watch it. Found it interesting but nothing special or really worth talking about. I would have liked to have seen them use the gun for something other than a glorified lighter. Have to give him credit for going through the wound scene though. Talk about going all the way for your viewers.

 

[akapennypincher]

Well I am sure many like me found the program GREAT, I knew about fire Starting, and Sound Closing with BP. But IMHO Davy and Cody's is good TV for anyone who go into the world out side their back yard. JMHO. :bow:

 

[tg]

I am not so sure he could have shot anything after watching him carry the slinged gun lock up, barrel up in a sleet/snow/rain storm and I am certain when crossing the river he tossed the gun as he got to the other side and I saw a splash of water and most of the barrel was visable.I suspect his rig was a bit damp, it was good he oiled the outside with Beaver sack oil, but I don't think that helped much, he should have taken the castor sacks and put them landward of his deadfall, I could not believe he did not use them as a lure, I like the show but that one did not seem like they were at the top of their game on those issues.

 

[George]

Seemed like an unnecessary show of macho to me. The whole idea of searing a wound to stop bleeding is mistaken. Any bleeding which could be stopped by black powder cauterization could much more easily be stopped by simply putting pressure on the wound. If the bleeding is too bad to be stopped by pressure like that, BP cauterization wouldn't stop it, for sure.

Then the guy said "I would never, ever recommend anyone use it". Then what was the point of the demonstration? Bunch of amateurs passing on a load of misinformation, IMHO.

Spence

 

[Pete Gaimari]

The thing that always bothers me about shows like that is three feet away is a camera man.

Sort of ruins the immersion.

 

[Black Hand]

I like these guys and they provide interesting and accurate information. That said, this stunt was the dumbest thing I've seen on the show - on the par with all the stupid/dangerous manure that Bear Grylls does in ALL his shows.

Cauterization is a last resort. Not to mention that sphagnum moss has been/is/can be used as a dressing and is somewhat antibacterial. Much better choice would have been to place the moss on the wound and bind it with the cloth.

Burn wounds are much more susceptible to infection compared to normal cuts.

 

[George]

I've never watched the show, just happened to surf across it a couple of days ago and saw only the bit at the end about the BP cauterization. I won't be watching it.

Cauterization should not even be considered. It cannot do anything pressure can't, and it compounds the problem by adding another, probably worse wound. As you said, burns are easily infected.

On what do you base your statement about sphagnum moss being antibacterial, Black Hand?

Spence

 

[Black Hand]

On what do you base your statement about sphagnum moss being antibacterial, Black Hand?

Spence

Spence,
I read about it years ago in a wild medicinal plant text. For your reading pleasure.... http://www.agro-food.net/archives/40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moss http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/m/mossph54.html
Albert

 

[George]

For your reading pleasure....

Thanks, interesting reading, especially the first one. Not a native English speaker and not always obvious.

I wonder how much of the information provided in the herbal/alternative medicine sites is high in speculation and low in scientific investigation.

I wasn't aware of the use of mosses in the field of biopharmaceuticals, interesting stuff.

One thing which I think is worth pointing out is that where any detail about using the moss as a dressing is provided, it was always mentioned that it was sterilized. That's a far cry from picking it up off the ground and putting it on a wound. The spores for the bacterium causing tetanus/lockjaw are ubiquitous, and it can't be a good thing to purposely put them into any wound. Even in this modern age of immunizations tetanus is still a dangerous disease.

Appreciate the references.

Spence

 

[Black Hand]

Spence,
Clostridium tetani, the causative agent of tetanus, is an obligate anaerobe (can't grow in the presence of oxygen). It is a sporulating organism, i.e. the vegetative form (bacterium) under conditions of nutritional deprivation, produces spores that are highly resistant to environmental conditions. Under the proper conditions, the spores that are introduced into a wound germinate, giving rise to the vegetative form which produces the toxin(s) responsible for the symptoms of the disease. The primary injuries that can provide the proper conditions (anaerobic) are deep puncture wounds, though other wounds also can give rise to the proper conditions. So, many things need to happen in order for one to develop the disease, including no tetanus immunization or a failing of the protection because one hasn't had a booster.

While there is a possibility to contracting tetanus from a superficial application of moss, it appears unlikely that it would happen easily.

For more info see: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/786414-overview

Albert

 

[George]

While there is a possibility to contracting tetanus from a superficial application of moss, it appears unlikely that it would happen easily.

Every man has to decide his own level of risk. I won't be putting any fresh moss on any wound, superficial or deep. The last person I saw with tetanus, a fatal case, got it from having her ears pierced.

Spence

 

[bigbore442001]

I suspect that Dave has had his tetanus titer up to date for this show.

I like to watch the show but I do realize that it is scripted for a general TV audience. I am sure there are many members here that could produce a real outdoor-survival show but I am not sure if it would generate a lot of interest in the ratings. It may be too factual and useful.

I wonder why he didn't have a cow's knee for protecting the lock? Also I concur with the question why did he not shoot something with it.

 

[Pete Gaimari]

Probably because the barrel was full of water.

 

[rabjr]

They were in Argentina, not sure what one has to do with licensing and all. It would have been nice if they did use the gun but it just might not have been practical or permitted at that time, who knows.

Caught the show last night. Cody definitely has a screw loose. In near zero temps with snow in Wyoming and this fool is wearing shorts and wool socks. :youcrazy: Its a do as I say not as I do kind of a show and thats really not how someone should teach survival. :shake:

 

[bigbore442001]

I concur with his shorts and socks mode of dress for the outdoors.

From now on I am not wearing shorts in the woods. Last week I had checked a trail camera wearing shorts and ended up with a tick firmly attached. I am not going to say exactly where but needless to say it is not the most comfortable feeling.

I did remove it but ended up the head still embedded firmly. I got most of the little bugger out except for the hard spike of a mouthpiece.

I suspect that Cody Lundin does not live where there are issues with ticks.