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OK, I have almost paid off my current fowler being built and I am now planning another build. I am thinking I want to go in the direction of very early 1700....civilian fowler. Can someone throw me some suggestions as I am not familiar with this time period as im still learning about the later 1700's....
 
Much of British America were getting Dutch guns. Early Eighteenth century dog locks were still very common. In the 1730s a 'Snaphaunce' gun is offered for a prize at a shooting contest. Glance over Hudson Valley Fowlers, or the 'Cookson Fowler" or early trade fusils. There would still be some Fish tail muskets around at this time. Club butts or oar butts were made by French wellup until this time frame.
 
Tom Grinslade's "Flintlock Fowlers:The First Guns Made in America" has considerable information (history and pictures) on fowlers from 1650 onwards.
Very complete. Chapters on New England, Hudson Valley, Kentucky, Club Butt, British, et cetera.
My own is a copy of the New England #9 from about 1769.....not as early as you might want.
Pete
 
Yes, what Tenngun said is spot. But do be careful in your selection. By today's standards some of those old style were really butt ugly. I know we are doing this to preserve the old way. I may not like having one of those old-old styles but it is yer choice.
 
Was at pomme de terre rendezvous a few weeks ago. A fellow had an oar-butt fusil. 46" barrel on walnut stock with queen Ann style lock. I called it a club butt and he corrected me. I don't know the difference.
It was put together very well, but looks clumsy and bulky. I do think it a night heavy to carry, about 10 lbs. It was however very comfortable to hold and came on point very easy. The sharp curve at the wrist fits very much like a pistol grip modern rifle stock. I don't think I need one myself, but strange looking or not it could be a shooter.
 
Those old style paddle,club,or oar style butts are very comfortable to shoot.moreso than the french calfsfoot imho
 
Hi B,
This New England fowler was styled after the famous "Cookson" American fowler but with a much better lock. The lock was made from castings by Blackleys and represents a good English lock from the 1720s or so. It is not clear if the Cookson gun is a mid-18th century restock rather than a very early 18th century gun. I've handled the India-made "Cookson" gun. It is heavy and unbalanced because the barrel wall is much thicker than the original and the stock has too much wood left on it. The original gun weighed about 9 lbs but the India gun is 11 lbs or more. The photo of the locks shows a 1690-1710 era British lock made by Andreas Dolep. I made it from castings offered by Jim Kibler. It would be a very appropriate lock for an early fowler. One problem with these early locks is they have no flies in the tumbler and usually relied on a pretty heavy trigger pull to prevent the sear from engaging the half cock notch when firing.

dave

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yeah ,I have one and its a heavy beast but I love the doglock,I had the internals hardened and tuned and it works great. Ive seen pictures of these redone and slimmed down to beautiful guns
 
I'd look into a club butt fowling gun. The Grinslade book is a good source. Club butt guns show Dutch or possible French heritage, but often show up with English-style locks and a mixture of hardware. Something like that could be appropriate to a coastal area, especially in the early- to mid-18th century. These regions had substantial contact with ships carrying a wide variety of goods.

I have a lefty club butt, and it's 'ugly' by today's standards, but very unique and really comfortable to shoot. It also gets lots of attention at the range, and really is different from the range lot of .50 or .45 'Kentucky rifles' or 'Hawkens'.

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The comments ablove are a good start but you will have to narrow down the country or area of origin of the style. Quick rule of thumb would be heavy butt, older locks and long barrel.
 
Dave Person said:
One problem with these early locks is they have no flies in the tumbler and usually relied on a pretty heavy trigger pull to prevent the sear from engaging the half cock notch when firing.

dave

As usual, Dave is absolutely correct.

However, one CAN get the trigger pull down to a safe and consistent 4 to 4 1/2 lb. trigger pull, that feels pretty good, with some extra work. Sometimes maybe a bit less than that. It won't feel like the trigger pull on a double set trigger rifle, but it still will feel pretty good.

Gus
 
i checked out the cookson fowler and I really like the style. I already have a new england fowlwer being built, so I was thinking of maybe going with a fudil de chase, however ..I reaslly really want a round faced/ queen anne style lock ...I dont have any and I think they are simply beutiful
 
Hi Capt.,
That was the Cookson who stayed in England. The burl maple stock on that piece is fantastic. Of course the American "Cookson" fowler is probably a local restock. Nonetheless, the stocker did a good job. The India-made version needs about 1/3 more wood removed and a barrel about 1.5 pounds lighter.

dave
 
"The lock plate of the gun being presented bears the name “Cookson” engraved in front of the cock. This undoubtedly refers to the maker, John Cookson. Three other guns of similar quality are known to have been built by John Cookson. All of these other firearms are multi-shot guns built on the Lorenzoni System. One of these Lorenzoni system guns is signed “John Cookson” and the remaining two are signed “John Cookson Fecit”. Stylistically the fowling piece in question compares very favorably to these guns. From this stylistic perspective, London seems the likely origin of each. In addition, the fowling piece bears London proof marks on the barrel. Although John Cookson is believed to have worked in London during the late seventeenth century, virtually nothing is known of him. The previously mentioned firearms are the only evidence which tie him to London. Interestingly enough, a John Cookson was present in Boston, Massachusetts by 1700 or 1701 and is listed as a whitesmith or gunsmith. Period sources indicate this man died in 1762 at the age of 89 years in Boston. A birth date of around 1673 can be therefore concluded. Many have suggested this John Cookson, in Boston, to be a relative of the London Gunsmith. This is certainly a possibility, however the John Cookson in Boston, may have been the same man who is supposed to have worked in London."

Jim Kibler
 
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