English, Pennsylvania, or moravian fowler

[StarnesRowan]

Hi,
During the period you are interested in, standing breeches and barrel keys were standard on any non military gun above the quality of cheap trade guns or livery guns. SR, I get the impression that you are intimidated by what James and I are indicating. We are giving you the historical context. I could do what we describe for a Chambers English fowler kit in one day of work, no problem. Piece of cake. But I realize others don't have the skills or knowledge. So a good choice for you is Chambers English fowler as it comes without the changes we suggest. It will be a fine gun for your impression.


dave

Thanks to both of you I kust have one more question would you do a more indepth tutorialon wedge inletting in in the future

 

[Capt. Jas.]

Thanks to both of you I kust have one more question would you do a more indepth tutorialon wedge inletting in in the future

I believe Taylor Sapergia has a tutorial on that over on the American Longrifles dot org forums

 

[dave_person]

Hi,
Here is Taylor's tutorial.
https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=10171.0
dave

 

[tenngun]

Everyone is on target, but May I ask your age.
1750 and your 50ish then you were born about 1700, and came of age about 1720.
Or your 30ish and came of age about 1740.
Old guys buy guns, so do young guys. However a good gun may have been purchased young and still in use with age.
My favorite gun is twenty eight years old. My old gun is about thirty five.
You may have a fine piece that is out of style.
Your position as prosperous may not mean your a ‘gun nut’. A fellow may have had no reason to replace an old gun that worked fine with the latest style from England or France

 

[Capt. Jas.]

Hi,
Here is Taylor's tutorial.
https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=10171.0
dave

Thanks Dave!
This website used to prohibit linking to the ALR site. Glad its allowed these days to help people out.

 

[StarnesRowan]

Everyone is on target, but May I ask your age.
1750 and your 50ish then you were born about 1700, and came of age about 1720.
Or your 30ish and came of age about 1740.
Old guys buy guns, so do young guys. However a good gun may have been purchased young and still in use with age.
My favorite gun is twenty eight years old. My old gun is about thirty five.
You may have a fine piece that is out of style.
Your position as prosperous may not mean your a ‘gun nut’. A fellow may have had no reason to replace an old gun that worked fine with the latest style from England or France

To be honest I turn 18 in a week
If Could afford to buy a gun still don't think I would I have built two kits and loved every second of it

 

[Capt. Jas.]

To be honest I turn 18 in a week
If Could afford to buy a gun still don't think I would I have built two kits and loved every second of it

Look into this..

https://www.southernohioartisanworkshops.com/young-gunbuildiers-scholarship.html

 

[StarnesRowan]

Thanks capt. I have the classwas back in the winter.

Look into this..

https://www.southernohioartisanworkshops.com/young-gunbuildiers-scholarship.html

 

[Bushfire]

To be honest I turn 18 in a week
If Could afford to buy a gun still don't think I would I have built two kits and loved every second of it

If you're 17, maybe aim to be the son of a prosperous farmer for the next few years. I don't do the persona stuff but I'd imagine it would evolve naturally over time.

 

[StarnesRowan]

That is true I can make that tweak

If you're 17, maybe aim to be the son of a prosperous farmer for the next few years. I don't do the persona stuff but I'd imagine it would evolve naturally over time.

 

[Bushfire]

That is true I can make that tweak

Growing up (and to this day) the Patriot is one of my favourite movies. Heath Ledgers character Gabriel was an 18 year son of a prosperous farmer from SC. I'm sure you've seen it but worth watching with that in mind.

 

[StarnesRowan]

Love the guns some are made by the true masters and

Growing up (and to this day) the Patriot is one of my favourite movies. Heath Ledgers character Gabriel was an 18 year son of a prosperous farmer from SC. I'm sure you've seen it but worth watching with that in mind.

I have been to some places where the movie was filmed. But when it comes to who Joshia Martin is supposed to be it niggles at me

But still in my top ten favorite movies

 

[Hatman/2nd line]

Hi,
Try these links and scroll through them.
https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=52635.0https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=52636.0https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=52637.0https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=52638.0https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=52639.0https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=52640.0https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=52642.0https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=52643.0
dave

Thanks Dave!

 

[sportster73hp]

Hi,
English fowler and here is an original example of the kind of export quality gun from exactly your time period. In fact, this gun probably spent most of its working life in America.

Prosperous farmers were by definition, not poor, and could afford a nice gun imported from England. They in fact, imported many of them including some rifles. Richard Wilson and the Turvey family of gun makers were especially popular with prosperous colonists. Trade guns were for trade with the Indians or less prosperous settlers on the frontiers.

dave

Is this the style Kibler’s fowler is patterned after? I have seen several pictured.

 

[Hatman/2nd line]

Hi,
Here is Taylor's tutorial.
https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=10171.0
dave

Thanks...again Dave!
Rich

 

[StarnesRowan]

Is this the style Kibler’s fowler is patterned after? I have seen several pictured.

Last I heard it is going to be a somthing like a trade gun

 

[sportster73hp]

Last I heard it is going to be a somthing like a trade gun

It keeps changing. Either a trade gun or an english fowler. I’m waiting for a proper english fowler.

 

[StarnesRowan]

It keeps changing. Either a trade gun or an english fowler. I’m waiting for a proper english fowler.

As the result of this thread I will get an chambers english fowler and then fit it with a hooked breech and barrel wedges

 

[StarnesRowan]

Hi,
Chambers English fowler kit would be a good choice. I do not believe it comes with a hook tang and breech but that certainly can be added. With a hooked breech, the barrel is held in place with flat keys rather than pins. It was designed to remove the barrel easily for cleaning. The nice thing about Chambers kit is they combine the correct lock and hardware for the time period the gun is supposed to represent (1760s). Some fowlers would have octagon to round barrels, others fully round. However, they all would taper at the breech and flare a little at the muzzle.

dave

Do you know where I can get a round hooked tang

 

[Hatman/2nd line]

Do you know where I can get a round hooked tang

Look up the Rifle Shop, they have what you need, I'm planning on building one this winter.