Ethics

[Thing]

A lot of what members say here holds some truth. But do not tell me none of you have ever done nothing wrong. What this lad did may not be the way you think now .But how about in the past. I have seen good honorable people loose self control when hunting . Especially younger ones. I am a retired Conservation Officer (Game Warden) Did the job for 30 years. Had I been called to this shooting sight, I doubt any summons or arrest
would have been made. There were no game laws broken . This young man was caught up in his youthfull excitement and used the wrong words to explain the hunt. That is all that he did wrong.
For you to judge his family withou knowing them is WRONG. This is a forum not a JURY to judge anyone. I fully understand the post that are being placed here and their reasons. It is a hoorah for evrey one here Just remember,Do not throw stones if you live in a glass house and this includes myself.

 

[John Wasmuth]

Good words. Often times its just easier for people to hang someone based upon first impressions rather than weigh the evidence. There are many different means to the same end, the way one man hunts may not be the way another hunts, but the end means are the same. Something dies, using any kind of gun, bow, spear, rock, or club instead of tooth, fang and claw takes away any so called fairness to begin with. Its all killing, we harvest corn, we kill animals, some times not as quickly as we wish but in the end its a dead animal. This young mans excitment clouded his writings however his friend cleard up the loose ends for us. People learn from their mistakes, bottom dollar says every last one of us on this and any other forum have made mistakes. Unless you were nailed to a cross at the age of 33 none of us are perfect.

 

[Stumpkiller]

True 'nuff. As I said, a lot of us are using our current moral/ethical ruler to measure someone a lot younger and "more exhuberant" than we are.

Lord knows there are skeletons in my hunting closet put there in the first few years I hunted.

I used to spend hours shooting at glass bottles that were thrown into the Susquehanna River in my early teens. Hardly safe or environmentally responsible. And the ghosts of untold muskrats killed only because they were targets will probably testify against me when Anubis weighs my soul against a feather.

 

[Britsmoothy]

:thumbsup:

Brits.

 

[Brent]

To apply some multiple negatives, just because I have never been perfect, doesn't mean I shouldn't be whacked up side the head for stupidity.

My house ain't glass, I ain't perfect but stones I will throw nonetheless, and for sure, they have and occasionally still get thrown at me. Less, I hope than they have been.

 

[rabjr]

I won't appologize for what I said because what I said needed saying.

I also saw where that thread was headed and got the hell out before it did.

 

[adirondack46r]

I used to spend hours shooting at glass bottles that were thrown into the Susquehanna River in my early teens...

So you're the scoundrel... I cut my toe while bass fishing down the Sus in 1977... That's OK. I forgave you in 1997 when I was saved. :grin:

 

[Thing]

I did not ask for apologies from anyone .No do I intend negatives towards any one. But, The word ETHICS seem to come up constantly here. Were are the ETHICS when condeming an individuals family or the indvidual. THis is the LACK OF ETHICS. You can ruin a young man by condeming his entire family. The word Ethics can be used in a cruel manner and do more harm to hunting then good when used in this manner . WE do not know him or his family to be so judgemental. Enough said .

 

[Dave K]

I am sure you are right, but I think you posted in the wrong place, because I have no idea what you are talking about. :idunno:

 

[ny griz]

B&B i don't think anyone was judgeing his family just their way of hunting.Plus the way the lad presented his story .Congratulations would have been more then the negatives if his story was told as latter in that thread,but everyone has their own opinions i guess. :hmm: :idunno: Griz

 

[KHickam]

Buck and Ball - I was gonna post on that thread earlier - He missed 2 or 3 times, but that is not against the law - he hit one because he failed to lead it far enough but then hit it again with a fatal shot -

I don't know the laws in Ohio but in Washington and Texas as far as I can tell he broke no laws - and so therefore was pretty ethical I believe.

 

[Dave K]

I think the whole think stinks, what ever he said,he shouldn't have said it. What ever he did he shouldn't have done it. Now, where is this secret that has 2 threads going?

 

[John Wasmuth]

He shot a couple of deer, got them bloody doing it and wadded some shorts. Pretty much it in a nut shell.

 

[ny griz]

:v It was just his presentation that got everyone riled up.Lets let it pass and hope he learned from this experience.Griz

 

[Thing]

Dave my apologies. It was not directed to you . Post was in wrong place.

 

[Dave K]

No problem, I knew it was not addressed to me. I haven't take a deer yet this year. I just wanted to find the thread that you were posting to and read it for myself. It must be MIA.

 

[hoochiepapa]

B&b:
Yes, we've all made mistakes. But we learned either by getting caught, or by learning from others.
The thing is, that there is so much focus on being successful, and not learning the right way, that these fine young men risk becoming slob hunters. And that breaks my heart. I have been in the woods and had a person take a "sound shot", and had people shoot at me. And I have witnessed poachers on the prowl without orange on, or hunting from a car. And that's what these youngsters are at risk of doing, if it's drilled into their heads that success is foremost.
I'm not apologizing for what I said. We should hammer the ethics thing and hope that some one teaches them how to "hunt".
Nuff sed. :surrender:

 

[Greenmtnboy]

You can ruin a young man by condeming his entire family.

B@B thank you for you years of conservation service :bow:
I know it can be a damn hard job.
I diden't condem his whole famley I condemed the unmoral individual( his father) who taught him to hunt that way if it was his father.
I was taught very differently and I hold all woods recreators to the same high level of morality that I strive to obtain.
He said he shot, wounded and left a doe, and I quote, (well the guy in the woods said I hit one in the butt, I went back but diden't find her)why not? obviously he can't track or doesen't care enough to stop hunting long enough to find a ass shot deer. Then he shoot a doe poorly twice and his uncle finishes it. That alone is illigal having sombody elce shoot your deer.
Out here in CO leaving game is a crime and shooting other peoples deer is a crime.
I would hope if a Fish and officer was on the job, tickets would have been written and guns confiscated.
I really can't see how his post diden't sicken all forum members who read it and anybody who thinks his actions are justtfied needs to stay the hell out of my hunting woods.

 

[Thing]

Did you read the response from his friend SS(Silent Sniper) In this post he explains what actualy occured. His choice of wording in the post seem to be more factual. I am not defending what occured by no means. But here you mention possibly his father taught him this way. Would you like a stranger talking about your father?
The point I am trying to make is. None of us were there. Had any one of us seen this take place it would ,or could be entirely different.(A) As far as killing someone else deer, That is a deer shot and running off or being tracked by the original hunter then shot by a 2nd hunter who now trys to claim it. This is the violation . In this incident the boy asked someone in his party to dispatch the deer . (B) Tracking a wounded deer also has boundries to it. If that deer goes on to private property . You must obtain permission to continue to track it. If permission ia denied you did all you could as an ethicl hunter.NO SUMMONS WOULD BE ISSUED .Should you continue to follow this wounded game on this private property you can be charged with several violations yourself.

This topic can go on forever. Let the young man heal from his bashig here. I'm sure his next post will be given with more thought and less excitement. Let him now feel welcome here. I do.

 

[rabjr]

You must obtain permission to continue to track it. If permission ia denied you did all you could as an ethicl hunter.

Just a note here. Here that would not be true. If you are denied permission, you then can notify the CO's or Environmental Police as they are now known, and they will escort you to the recovery of an animal.