Evil lead!

[MSW]

lead is bad

bad bad bad lead ... NO COOKIE

in fact, lead is so bad that i routinely punish my lead very severely.

first, i chop it apart. then i melt it (i tried burning it at the stake, but that just made a mess) ... then, when it screams in agony as the heat make sit liquid, i force it into weird shapes. then i blast the shapes into the heavens using explosives, and laugh with demonic glee as it smacks into an earthen berm. when enough of the lead shapes and their brethren ahev thus been punished, i dig them out of the earth and repeat the process ...


why is everyone looking at me as though i've gone soft in the head?

 

[tenngun]

lead is bad

bad bad bad lead ... NO COOKIE

in fact, lead is so bad that i routinely punish my lead very severely.

first, i chop it apart. then i melt it (i tried burning it at the stake, but that just made a mess) ... then, when it screams in agony as the heat make sit liquid, i force it into weird shapes. then i blast the shapes into the heavens using explosives, and laugh with demonic glee as it smacks into an earthen berm. when enough of the lead shapes and their brethren ahev thus been punished, i dig them out of the earth and repeat the process ...


why is everyone looking at me as though i've gone soft in the head?

I treat my lead the same way
I went to an LAA meeting ( Lead abuser anonymous) stood up said ‘Hi I’m Jeffery and I abuse lead’. We all got to talking and sharing there were tears and beers and in the end we placed an order with Rotometals and Callahans
Will the madness never end

 

[Britsmoothy]

I bought one box of steel shells today and 250 lead ones.
I think I have an addiction.

Actually that's a point, shooting steel that leaves plastic wads all over the environment is good but lead and fibre wads are evil ,,, hmmm .

 

[tenngun]

I bought one box of steel shells today and 250 lead ones.
I think I have an addiction.

Actually that's a point, shooting steel that leaves plastic wads all over the environment is good but lead and fibre wads are evil ,,, hmmm .

Brit, if’n you wanted logic you should have took that up with God before you were born, cause I think He sent you to the no logic planet

 

[hanshi]

Humans today are exposed to thousands of toxins including air/water pollution. Old people long ago used to live just as long as old people today. They rarely had any worry about toxins; but they did have to worry about diseases. We now have antibiotics, vaccines, drugs and other medical advantages not available to our ancestors. TB, flu, small pocks, yellow fever and dozens more took both babies and adults, which lowered the average age that could have been attained. Strep throat rarely kills anyone today but 200 years ago it was deadly. Right now I can't decide if I should be thankful or astonished that I made it this far.

 

[Whitworth]

Humans today are exposed to thousands of toxins including air/water pollution. Old people long ago used to live just as long as old people today. They rarely had any worry about toxins; but they did have to worry about diseases. We now have antibiotics, vaccines, drugs and other medical advantages not available to our ancestors. TB, flu, small pocks, yellow fever and dozens more took both babies and adults, which lowered the average age that could have been attained. Strep throat rarely kills anyone today but 200 years ago it was deadly. Right now I can't decide if I should be thankful or astonished that I made it this far.

Yup, everyday is a new day in the test tube for all us lab rats. Lead is an old known hazard, it's the new ones we've created in the past century from things like pesticides, petro chemicals, nuclear waste, etc. that should be a real worry , not something like lead that we know how to handle safely.
I'm lucky and come from families that were long lived, plenty of folks into their 80s and 90s, but I've know families where folks seem to die 40 or 50ish due to the families history of heart or other problems. Just the fact that you're here show's there were some damn tough people in your family who lived long enough to reproduce, no small feat just a short century ago. With no antibiotics a simple splinter or abscessed tooth could be a death sentence. That's why a .31 Colt Pocket pistol could be such a deterrent, die now or die later from infection should you be shot with one, neither being a sensible choice if given the option. YMMV

 

[tenngun]

A hen is an eggs way of getting another egg. If we can make it to about thirty, long enough to reproduce and get our offspring to an age to reproduce we’ve done out job.
And between germs and hard life humans have done a good job at surviving. Even with lead sweet wine and lead pewter plates and arsenic face creams and mercury cured felt and ……

 

[mushka]

I don't think that the good old days were all that great. Filth, disease, poor food and water, lack of medical knowledge. Presently I am 77 and have outlived every ancestor that I am aware of by about ten or twelve years. And, I have lived a somewhat dangerous life so far. Life is not safe I have learned but it has had interesting moments.

 

[Ragged Edge]

"Life is tough. It's tougher when you're stupid". Marion Michael Morrison

 

[shorthair]

Going waaaaayyyyyy back there is the thought that lead poisoning contributed to many of the problems that brought about the fall of the Roman Empire, though like many other topics, there is still debate.

Didn’t see necchi’s post before I posted mine.

Remember that the Roman's used LEAD pipes for their water system so that they were drinking contaminated water. If you wash after handling lead, don't chew on the old paint on the walls, cast in a well ventilated area and otherwise use reasonable precautions lead is not the evil beast that it has been portrayed as.

 

[tenngun]

Those who would save the earth.
This guy took wreaths because the plastic would pollute the earth. Cant have that so he burned them.
Plastic burning isn’t too good for the air I’ve heard and nasty melted black tar like crud that soaks in to the ground not real good there.

 

[shorthair]

Bodies are pretty good at isolating foreign objects - walling them off so they're separated. Even cancer gets encysted, and best left that way rather than a doc cutting into it which allows it to spread.

As far as the Roman Empire, I've heard its downfall was Christianity. Towards the end it was pretty degraded with things like watching guys dying fighting wild animals and each other in the Coliseum, orgies, and stuff like that. Then the Christians came along and said "Go ahead and kill me, this isn't my only life. I won't go along with your crummy games." (all references to past lives were edited out of the bible at some point - I don't recall when) It's pretty tough on soldiers murdering good, decent people who weren't even resisting. They had controlled by threat of death and when that was challenged, it collapsed. Of course, the empire was on its way down anyway but who knows how much longer it might have continued.

Dang Roman Empire lasted a long time and has left a pretty good bit of history behind and a lot of civilization has been shaped by it.

 

[shorthair]

Best not to do a " Lewis Wetzel " impression , and spit lead balls down the bore of yer rifle gun , while on the run from a bunch of Wyandot warriors , so your scalp stays attached. Ok to tell folks about it , but no demonstrations.

If they were chasing me with the same intent as they chased the good Mr Wetzel and I was able to I would do the same thing, dying a few years later sure beats what those warriors sure gad in mind.

 

[Whitworth]

Those who would save the earth.
This guy took wreaths because the plastic would pollute the earth. Cant have that so he burned them.
Plastic burning isn’t too good for the air I’ve heard and nasty melted black tar like crud that soaks in to the ground not real good there. View attachment 111298

What a horse's ass. I have family in that cemetery Why the hell didn't he burn some PA wreaths and save the gas getting below the Mason Dixon Line to Hagerstown if he's so eco-conscious? Just another homeless bum no doubt, probably wanted to warm up and cook his heroin, the save the planet manure was the best excuse he could come up with.

 

[mushka]

Oh well Whitworth, he's just a dumb sob and the planet is full of them.

 

[Whitworth]

Oh well Whitworth, he's just a dumb sob and the planet is full of them.

Darwin needs to work faster handing out those awards

 

[Zapadach]

I don't think that the good old days were all that great. Filth, disease, poor food and water, lack of medical knowledge. Presently I am 77 and have outlived every ancestor that I am aware of by about ten or twelve years. And, I have lived a somewhat dangerous life so far. Life is not safe I have learned but it has had interesting moments.

Only the people who lived in cities centuries ago had to deal with the filth, disease, poor food and water. The woods and prairie dwellers as well as the nomadic tribes did not suffer from the things very often. For millennia people world wide new how to stay healthy eat well and successfully treat wounds. Humans do not do well when they live crowded together, the world's cities are a testament to that.

 

[RonRC]

we lived in a house from 52 to 57 with lead water pipes. i'll be 75 next month and can still count using my fingers and toes fairly easily.
i worry more about asbestos than lead.

First, some recommendations:
1. If you handle lead bullets, don't lick your fingers before washing your hands. Wash your hands before licking your fingers and you should be fine.
2. If you melt lead to make bullets and round balls, make certain you have plenty of ventilation.

The issue of lead in water pipes is interesting. And it is not just lead pipes, but also the lead solder used to seal the pipe joints.
If you have hard water or water that is highly mineralized, the minerals in the water will deposit on the inside pipe surface over time and will harden. This forms a barrier to the lead pipe leaching out lead. However, it takes some time (years) for the hardness coating to form on the pipe. Until that coating occurs, if you have lead pipes, you can be exposed to dissolved lead from the pipes.

When you receive water from a potable (drinking) water treatment plant, they don't remove all the hardness. Eventually, the hardness deposits will seal the pipes. Water without carbonate hardness can be corrosive and dissolve lead from lead pipes.

Well water is another story. Some wells deliver hard water, sometimes hard enough that the hardness can clog pipes. Some wells have very soft water which can be surprisingly corrosive. The soft water has the higher potential to dissolve and deliver lead to you.

You can be certain that excess lead, ingested or inhaled, is a very dangerous toxin. Knowledge of lead toxicity is not new. I have a book from 1859 in which they thoroughly document the impact of lead toxicity.

Georgius Agricola published his often quoted work on mining and metallurgy in the mid-16th century (Agricola, 1556), and shows that lead and its effects on human health were known over 450 years ago.
Lead was used by the Romans to seal their aqueducts from losing water as well as lead salts used for sweetening wine. Lead was high in their ceramics, as well. When they analyze bones from ancient Rome, the levels of lead are very high.
This is a person who has been exposed to high levels of lead:

 

[Crow-Feather]

My "way-back-grandfather" was a gladiator at the coliseum in Rome. He was so good that they placed a sign with his name in front of the coliseum. His name was "No Parking".

 

[Ponderosaman]

Only the people who lived in cities centuries ago had to deal with the filth, disease, poor food and water. The woods and prairie dwellers as well as the nomadic tribes did not suffer from the things very often. For millennia people world wide new how to stay healthy eat well and successfully treat wounds. Humans do not do well when they live crowded together, the world's cities are a testament to that.

People everywhere are subject to toxins and poisons, parasites, disease and violence. Back in the day they had no idea of the danger of radiation. Picture little nomadic kids playing in the yellow cake like a sandbox. I still romanticize the past myself. It gives me a feeling of nostalgia and connection to my forefathers, but my current wife helped me put that into a fun fiction, rather than words you can bank on.