Well, i finally have a consistant load to use in the fowler for turkeys. I messed around and messed around with different wad combos, powder charges, and shot size, and this is what seems to work in this gun. 70 grs of Goex 3f powder. Then start 2 thin overshot cards just below the muzzle and ad a little lube on top. Then another thin overshot wad and seat it on the powder. Then start another thin overshot wad about 1 1/2" below the muzzle and start a paper shot cup on top of it. (The cup is made from index card rolled 1 1/2 turns around the mandrell i use to form them and then glued on the edge. It is long enough when crimped on the one end to hold 7/8 oz of #5 lead shot and left unslit.) I then ad 1 1/8 oz of shot and an over shot card. I tried slits of different lengths and cups that held the whole 1 1/8 oz of shot, as well as cream of wheat for filler, but this is what worked best for me. I have not gotten any slug effects with this setup, just consistant patterns with 12-17 shot in the head neck area at 23 yds, which is 3 yds further than i have got with any other load. So Swampy, you might want to try some unslit shot cups in that new .12 ga fowler and see if they work as well for you.