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Pete Gaimari
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Pretty dang sweet.
Your gun has helped me decide I like a dark stain.
Your gun has helped me decide I like a dark stain.
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Wishfull thinking perhaps...... :wink:
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I am more than happy to explain to the poster, and others, how to clean these guns with the barrel left in the stock. There are a couple of approaches that are used, and they work.
But, I don't like these short comments that come from these guys who want to criticize, but don't offer any advice on how to do it a " Better " way.
I thought RoundBall did an excellent job of detailing how to remove the barrel from the stock, how to remove the pins, and save them, so they can go back in the correct hole, etc. I didn't think he deserved the kind of comments that we see from Mike or Fitter.
The Lord knows these 3 guys are no friends of mine, but I was surprised that the 2 would take such cheap shots at Roundball.
I don't have to like Roundball to respect the fact that he gives willingly of his experiences, and gives sound advice, for the most part. I still consider him about as knowledgeable a man as we have on this forum when it comes to answering questions about T/C rifles and smooth rifles. He is also a very skilled hunter, and gives a great deal of thought to how he is going to set up to hunt any given species. Better yet, he takes extraordinary care of his rifles, and for that reason alone, should be given some consideration when it comes to questions about how to go about cleaning solid tang rifles. :hatsoff: :thumbsup:
But, I don't like these short comments that come from these guys who want to criticize, but don't offer any advice on how to do it a " Better " way.
I thought RoundBall did an excellent job of detailing how to remove the barrel from the stock, how to remove the pins, and save them, so they can go back in the correct hole, etc. I didn't think he deserved the kind of comments that we see from Mike or Fitter.
The Lord knows these 3 guys are no friends of mine, but I was surprised that the 2 would take such cheap shots at Roundball. I don't have to like Roundball to respect the fact that he gives willingly of his experiences, and gives sound advice, for the most part. I still consider him about as knowledgeable a man as we have on this forum when it comes to answering questions about T/C rifles and smooth rifles. He is also a very skilled hunter, and gives a great deal of thought to how he is going to set up to hunt any given species. Better yet, he takes extraordinary care of his rifles, and for that reason alone, should be given some consideration when it comes to questions about how to go about cleaning solid tang rifles. :hatsoff: :thumbsup:
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Listen fellas, this guy didn't ask how to clean a gun. He asked how to remove the barrel to clean it. All I did was tell him not to remove it as in this case the gun wasn't designed to remove the barrel for cleaning, and I also told him what is required in gun design if you wish to remove the barrel every time you clean. (hooked breech and keys) I recommend you NEVER remove a pinned barrel unless you absolutly have to. If you feel your cleaning practices are so poor you can't clean the barrel in the stock then I'd suggest you have a hooked breech and keys.Hoser1268 said:
My first answer took much less time to read and was directly to the point......
Of course, don't pay attention to me, I only build guns for a living. :haha:
As a matter of fact if you remove the barrel for every cleaning you'll eventually mar up the pin holes or worst, enlarge them, then you will have to redrill the holes and put a larger pin in, they didn't take the barrels out for cleaning originally and they lasted many many generations of shooting.If you are worried about getting water all over get a flintlock siphon style cleaning attachment you can run water in and out of the bore and it will eject out a hose away from the rifle.
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The original post had nothing to do with cleaning a longrifle with a pinned barrel.
Hoser1268 asked about removing the barrel to clean it. Mike, and others, gave the answer without straying too far off topic. If somebody wanted more information about cleaning, they could always start their own thread.
Hoser1268 asked about removing the barrel to clean it. Mike, and others, gave the answer without straying too far off topic. If somebody wanted more information about cleaning, they could always start their own thread.
You guys are correct, of course. The original post had nothing to do with removing the barrel for cleaning - it was about bobber's new rifle.
Still, I don't believe it was inappropriate for someone to ask about removing the barrel for cleaning. Nor do I think "you don't have to", concise as that might be, provides a complete answer to the question that was asked as a matter of course in this discussion (key word there).
Therefore, I don't think it was inappropriate for someone to explain how to clean a rifle without removing the barrel.
Like I said before, you guys really tickle me sometimes. :haha:
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It is a Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading rifle. www.avsia.com/tvm
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Some of us give short direct answers to the question. I think it's best.
Others give a long winded answer that go off topic with some chest thumping, and finally remember the lost topic and sort of get back to it.
Others give a long winded answer that go off topic with some chest thumping, and finally remember the lost topic and sort of get back to it.
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Hell, I'm tickled ALL of the time. :haha:
Bobber,
That's a beautiful rifle. I love the color. If you don't mind me asking, did you finish it yourself? If so, what did you use as a stain? I am not yet at that stage on my gun but when I get there I would like to try and duplicate that if I am able.
Thanks.
That's a beautiful rifle. I love the color. If you don't mind me asking, did you finish it yourself? If so, what did you use as a stain? I am not yet at that stage on my gun but when I get there I would like to try and duplicate that if I am able.
Thanks.
Nope, can't take credit for the finish, or anything else. My contribution to making this rifle was placing the order, and I needed help from Toni at TVM to get that done
I think they make a very fine rifle, and can't wait to shoot it, but it's so darn cold here I've been putting it off, but I'm going to try this weekend.
I think they make a very fine rifle, and can't wait to shoot it, but it's so darn cold here I've been putting it off, but I'm going to try this weekend.
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:slap: Whoa! I agree with Mike Brooks! While nothing's wrong with removing the barrel for every cleaning if one insists on doing so, in general it won't do the rifle any good over time. I think roundball had his made with oversize pins - forgive me if I'm wrong on that - just so he could remove it for cleaning. That TVM is a fine rifle and a good example of their skilled work. The pics are good and show it quite well. I'd say feed it and enjoy.
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You are splitting hairs, when there are no hairs to split, and that leaves these comments to be a bit disingenuous.
Hosier is obviously asking how you clean the barrel, and Fitter begins the non-information by saying "you don't have to." He doesn't say " you don't have to ""WHAT"". For all Hosier can understand from that remark, Fitter is telling him he doesn't have to clean the barrel!
Then comes Mike with his comments about removable barrels having keys. Still no explanation on how to clean a pinned barrel, just his comment that it should not be done by removing the pins.
Hosier:
"Here is a stupid question. How do you remove the barrel for cleaning?"
I grant you that Hosier's question does not specifically mention guns with PINNED BARRELS, as in, " How do you remove the barrel to clean a pinned barrel?" But, his question seems obvious from the picture and description of the gun at the beginning of the post.
TO his credit, Roundball did a fine job of telling how to remove a pinned barrel for cleaning and how to put it back so the pin holes are Not damaged.
All I am asking is for people to be more helpful to people who ask questions here. Instead of a terse, "Slap-down", why not take the little bit of time to answer his question? Suggesting the guy(Hosier) was Not asking about how to clean his gun is embarrassing, considering what his question states.
Those who constantly harp on the idea that removing the pins will Always result in pins being damaged, or pin holes enlarged, might benefit from learning from guys like Roundball how to do this correctly, so that no damage occurs, even over time. Not everyone is a "wood butcher" with tools.
I have a dedicated pin punch that I use almost exclusively for removing the pins from my stock to clean my barrel. The only difference in my technique than what Roundball describes above is that I don't use tape to secure the pins. I lay them on a white paper, in order, from left to right, with the direction from which they are removed always at the top of the paper from me. I may consider using his idea, however, the next time I remove the barrel. :thumbsup:
I had a crack repaired in the stock last year, and I have not been able to get out and shoot my rifle since. I will probably remove the pins one more time, and then coat the bottom of the barrel, and barrel mortise with water pump grease. Then I will re-assemble the gun, wipe off any excess grease, and clean the barrel in the stock, with the barrel down in a cradle next to the sink, so that water and fluids don't run down on the stock or into the mortises. The mortise for both the barrel and tang are already well sealed with gun oil, and will get a thick coat of wax before I put the grease into them.
Then I can get "lazy",and leave the pins in the stock without ever fearing that I am allowing rust to eat at the barrel at the bottom of the barrel mortise. :hatsoff:
Hosier is obviously asking how you clean the barrel, and Fitter begins the non-information by saying "you don't have to." He doesn't say " you don't have to ""WHAT"". For all Hosier can understand from that remark, Fitter is telling him he doesn't have to clean the barrel!
Then comes Mike with his comments about removable barrels having keys. Still no explanation on how to clean a pinned barrel, just his comment that it should not be done by removing the pins.
Hosier:
"Here is a stupid question. How do you remove the barrel for cleaning?"
I grant you that Hosier's question does not specifically mention guns with PINNED BARRELS, as in, " How do you remove the barrel to clean a pinned barrel?" But, his question seems obvious from the picture and description of the gun at the beginning of the post.
TO his credit, Roundball did a fine job of telling how to remove a pinned barrel for cleaning and how to put it back so the pin holes are Not damaged.
All I am asking is for people to be more helpful to people who ask questions here. Instead of a terse, "Slap-down", why not take the little bit of time to answer his question? Suggesting the guy(Hosier) was Not asking about how to clean his gun is embarrassing, considering what his question states.
Those who constantly harp on the idea that removing the pins will Always result in pins being damaged, or pin holes enlarged, might benefit from learning from guys like Roundball how to do this correctly, so that no damage occurs, even over time. Not everyone is a "wood butcher" with tools.
I have a dedicated pin punch that I use almost exclusively for removing the pins from my stock to clean my barrel. The only difference in my technique than what Roundball describes above is that I don't use tape to secure the pins. I lay them on a white paper, in order, from left to right, with the direction from which they are removed always at the top of the paper from me. I may consider using his idea, however, the next time I remove the barrel. :thumbsup:
I had a crack repaired in the stock last year, and I have not been able to get out and shoot my rifle since. I will probably remove the pins one more time, and then coat the bottom of the barrel, and barrel mortise with water pump grease. Then I will re-assemble the gun, wipe off any excess grease, and clean the barrel in the stock, with the barrel down in a cradle next to the sink, so that water and fluids don't run down on the stock or into the mortises. The mortise for both the barrel and tang are already well sealed with gun oil, and will get a thick coat of wax before I put the grease into them.
Then I can get "lazy",and leave the pins in the stock without ever fearing that I am allowing rust to eat at the barrel at the bottom of the barrel mortise. :hatsoff:
