Flintlock ID

[Sheithe]

Hoping to ID below

I pulled hammer back and it locked in 'cocked' position

Pulled trigger and it released. Was thinking of purchasing as a project, perhaps to see if I could make some black powder and a bullet.

Any advice appreciated, seller looking in the region of 250 dollars

 

[cositrike]

Hoping to ID below

I pulled hammer back and it locked in 'cocked' position

Pulled trigger and it released. Was thinking of purchasing as a project, perhaps to see if I could make some black powder and a bullet.

Any advice appreciated, seller looking in the region of 250 dollars
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Too expensive in my opinion

 

[rusticbob]

That’s not a flintlock!

 

[64Springer]

That pawn shop gave some poor broke guy 25 bucks for that gun.

 

[rafterob]

Lots of those were made. Inexpensive "Boot" or "Muff" pistols. If really interested in it I may go $200 but it holds no interest for me. If you like it, see how low he'll go.

 

[TreeMan]

Percussion not a flintlock. I love stuff like this but I wouldn’t give more than $100 for it.

 

[TFoley]

A word of advice if you live in the Republic of Ireland.

DO NOT try to obtain any black powder or ball.

1. Black powder is a prohibited substance in the Republic, and unauthorised possession of it is an offence under the Prevention for Terrorism Acts. Only commercial users - quarrymen etc - are authorised to possess it under the auspices of the 1888 Explosives Act. Shooting BP firearms in the Republic is no longer possible, even for the few re-enactors.

2. Likewise, possession of ball used as ammunition is illegal. Possession of ammunition components, ANY kind of powder, percussion caps, shot etc are prohibited under the Firearms Act SIs. Only around forty persons, all members of the Midlands National Shooting Centre at Tullaghmore, are individually 'licenced' to carry out reloading of cartridge-firing firearms in the entire country.

TMK, nobody in the Republic is authorised to shoot a BP firearm.

Furthermore, attempting to shoot this little antique in both the Republic and Northern Ireland without a firearms certificate will get you a possible five years' jail time. And you will NEVER get a firearms certificate for this gun in the Republic - if you are a British citizen, living in the North, then you will have to join a club, serve your probie time, and get an FAC, like the rest of us. Oh, and an explosives license, too.

 

[TDM]

Under the circumstances stated, I'd pass on this particular "flintlock".

 

[sheriff john]

Sorry about the restrictions. Tac knows the law. Around here, boot pistols in that condition are not coveted items. Interesting and fun, just not much interest.

 

[64Springer]

If the guy is from Ireland and pistols aren't allowed in Ireland how can the pawn shop, identified by the glass case of watches and crap in the background, offer this pistol for sale in Ireland?

 

[toot]

good question! who in he** is he going to sell it to?

 

[dr.s.goerisch]

A word of advice if you live in the Republic of Ireland.

DO NOT try to obtain any black powder or ball.

1. Black powder is a prohibited substance in the Republic, and unauthorised possession of it is an offence under the Prevention for Terrorism Acts. Only commercial users - quarrymen etc - are authorised to possess it under the auspices of the 1888 Explosives Act. Shooting BP firearms in the Republic is no longer possible, even for the few re-enactors.

2. Likewise, possession of ball used as ammunition is illegal. Possession of ammunition components, ANY kind of powder, percussion caps, shot etc are prohibited under the Firearms Act SIs. Only around forty persons, all members of the Midlands National Shooting Centre at Tullaghmore, are individually 'licenced' to carry out reloading of cartridge-firing firearms in the entire country.

TMK, nobody in the Republic is authorised to shoot a BP firearm.

Furthermore, attempting to shoot this little antique in both the Republic and Northern Ireland without a firearms certificate will get you a possible five years jail time. And you will NEVER get a firearms certificate for this gun in the Republic - if you are a British citizen, living in the North, then you will have to join a club, serve your probie time, and get an FAC, like the rest of us. Oh, and an explosives license, too.

 

[dr.s.goerisch]

You made my day, T.Foley: I've always thought that German gun laws are the strictest in the world. So I was lucky not to have taken any firearms to Eire, when touring your wondrful country.

In Germany, that pocket pistol with percussion ignition would still be free to buy and keep for persons over 18 years of age. 200 € seems slightly overprized for it, considering the rust. If you want to own a piece of history, go get it - if you just want to shoot a bp pistol of that kind for fun, you could get a replica in prime condition for less than 200. Remember, this kind of pistol is not a target pistol, you will have problems to hit a barn door at 25 meters (which is standard distance for pistol shooting in Germany).

Black powder, made in Germany, Czech Republic and Switzerland (best quality) is readily available, but you need a licence to buy. keep, handle it.
This licence expires every five years, or earlier in case the alotted quantity is spent. Renewing this "Sprengstoffschein" is not cheap.

On most outdoor shooting ranges in Germany, shooting blackpowder guns is being practized, still, though the heydays of the blackpowder shooting renaissance appear to be over. Lead balls can currently still be purchased and owned without any restrictions, as are percussion primers.

 

[TFoley]

If the guy is from Ireland and pistols aren't allowed in Ireland how can the pawn shop, identified by the glass case of watches and crap in the background, offer this pistol for sale in Ireland?

It is an antique, even in the Republic of Ireland. Sure he can buy it, but depending on which county he lives in, he MIGHT need a authorising letter of possession from the Garda superintendent of the county.

BUT, he wants to make black powder? and obtain ball for it? and to shoot it?

ALL of that is illegal in the Republic of Ireland. The Prevention of Terrorism Act is taken very seriously there.

 

[TFoley]

You made my day, T.Foley: I've always thought that German gun laws are the strictest in the world. So I was lucky not to have taken any firearms to Eire, when touring your wondrful country.

In Germany, that pocket pistol with percussion ignition would still be free to buy and keep for persons over 18 years of age. 200 € seems slightly overprized for it, considering the rust. If you want to own a piece of history, go get it - if you just want to shoot a bp pistol of that kind for fun, you could get a replica in prime condition for less than 200. Remember, this kind of pistol is not a target pistol, you will have problems to hit a barn door at 25 meters (which is standard distance for pistol shooting in Germany).

Black powder, made in Germany, Czech Republic and Switzerland (best quality) is readily available, but you need a licence to buy. keep, handle it.
This licence expires every five years, or earlier in case the alotted quantity is spent. Renewing this "Sprengstoffschein" is not cheap.

On most outdoor shooting ranges in Germany, shooting blackpowder guns is being practized, still, though the heydays of the blackpowder shooting renaissance appear to be over. Lead balls can currently still be purchased and owned without any restrictions, as are percussion primers.

Not MY country. I live in UK. I also lived in Germany for almost eight years, so I'm very familiar with German firearms laws.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

The world is doing what Hitler, Statin, and Polpot tried.
What happened when 4 countries barred all firearms, They killed 245 million of thier own people.
The writing is on the wall.

 

[Anvilboy]

It sucks for you to live there... That is oppressive.

 

[Rancocas]

The Pedersoli Screw Barrel Pistol kits as sold by Dixie Gun Works here in the USA sells, brand new, for $200. US dollars. It is a kit - you put it together yourself.
To use an old expression; "they are a dime a dozen" over here.
No telling whether the one you pictured is a real antique or simply a rusty modern version.
It is a "boot gun", a "hide out gun" - something that an old time gambler would stick in his boot top in case he had to shoot someone across a card table.
I would pass on it even without your odious Irish gun laws.

 

[DuncNZ]

I know these guns as a pocket gun . Ireland sure has strict firearms laws . I was talking to an Irish gun dealer in the gunshop one day , while we were chatting I sold 5 times his annual sale of 22rf ammo , ie 1 case . He had to contact all his customers as to how much ammo they needed for the next year , figure out how much he needed to earn to stay in business , order the ammo through the police and price it so he could make a living .

 

[TFoley]

As I noted earlier, this little pistol is probably a so-called 'muff pistol' and would have been carried by a lady whilst travelling around in a stagecoach for self-protection. Their use and the rationale for owning such a firearm died out with the spread of the railways.

However, while it is undoubtedly an antique, because of the Republic of Ireland's odd method of policing, with a Garda superintendent in charge of policing in each of the twenty-six counties, and although the law is quite clear, the interpretation of the law with regard to firearms is anything but. Some supers are friendly towards gun owners, after all, they may well have gone to school with them - policing in the RoI can be very parochial. On the other hand, if the guy wanting to license a gun [one gun license for each gun, BTW] gave the super a kick up the Khyber in the school playground thirty years ago, he may well recall that, and make life difficult for the applicant.

It happens a lot.

So while the OP may well be able to BUY it, he will never get a license to use it as long as he has a navel. You must understand that I'm trying to be polite here.

The OP, however has come to what he sees is an open forum, as indeed its main virtue IS, asking about making black powder in the RoI. If caught having done so, it will be at least ten years until we hear from him again. I've tried to let him know that although there are nothing but friendly faces here, back home in the Ould Sod he'd be guilty of committing very serious criminal offences under the Prevention of Terrorism Acts and Explosives Act. Recent history - since 1969, that is, has shown us the folly of ignoring the dangers of home-grown terrorism. Around four thousand dead, and tens of thousands of injured - many maimed for life - would testify to that. The horrors of the tragedies of both parts of Ireland are still with us even today.

So, as it seems that the OP has 'exited stage left', probably to ignore my well-intentioned advice, I really don't have anything more to add to this thread.