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dlocke

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Ok, now that I've pounded the Investarms lockplate flat it is time to get rid of the daylight between the frizzen and pan. The plan is, naturally, to get rid of the visible high spot(s) and then use inletting black to carefully file down the not-so-visible high spots. This may be a stupid question, but am I correct in assuming that the best idea is to remove material from the pan, as opposed to the frizzen?
DJL
 
The frizzen is hard and mat'l would be more difficult to remove. File the pan down.....shouldn't be that much....Fred
 
Really is no such thing as a stupid question, especially here. Yes, the pan is easier to file/grind than the frizzen but look first. Some frizzens have a matching extension that fits into the pan (look at the "water proof" L&R english locks and I am not saying they are not waterproof, my "" are my way of saying there are exceptions to everything) In those cases, make sure they maintain a tight fit.
 
Hopefully, there will not be much of a gap. Put a small straight edge on both the pan, and the frizzen bottom, after you remove it from the lock, and turn it upright, of course. Figure out which surface is the villain. That is the one you file, or grind.

Sometimes it will be the location of the pivot screw for the frizzen. If that is drilled in the wrong locations- too low will raise the front edge of the frizzen, too high will raise the back edge of the frizzen- you have some options. Order a new frizzen is the easiest. The next is to have some machine shop weld up the hole and then drill it in the proper location.

Sometimes the hole through the bridle or the lockplate on locks that don't have bridles, and then you have a different set of problems. If its the bridle, grind the bottom of the frizzen to fit. Its way to expensive to be fooling around re drilling the bridle, and you usually will have to replace the lock plate to get a new bridle. If is a lock without a bridle, you do have the option of welding up the hole in the lock plate, and redrilling it in the proper location. And, I suppose, if you have access to a proper machine shop, you can weld up both holes in the bridle, and redrill them both. That gets to be really delicate and hard work, and it can get expensive- enough so that buying a new lock makes more economic sense. The only justification for doing all the redrilling work is if you are trying to salvage an original lock that has some notoriety or fame, either because of the maker, or the gun it is on, etc. If I had an antique gun worth saving, I would redrill those holes before grinding or filing either the pan or the frizzen. The relocation will be only slightly off center of the original hole, which means that screw head will often cover up the repair work.
 
dlocke said:
Ok, now that I've pounded the Investarms lockplate flat it is time to get rid of the daylight between the frizzen and pan. The plan is, naturally, to get rid of the visible high spot(s) and then use inletting black to carefully file down the not-so-visible high spots. This may be a stupid question, but am I correct in assuming that the best idea is to remove material from the pan, as opposed to the frizzen?
DJL

Yes :thumbsup:
 
dlocke said:
Ok, now that I've pounded the Investarms lockplate flat it is time to get rid of the daylight between the frizzen and pan. The plan is, naturally, to get rid of the visible high spot(s) and then use inletting black to carefully file down the not-so-visible high spots. This may be a stupid question, but am I correct in assuming that the best idea is to remove material from the pan, as opposed to the frizzen?
DJL

I am prone to the be careful mode. Watch out and don't overdo, sloppy work or too much metal removal can screw up the geometry.

IMHO, some tout a tight fit for a water proof lock, which is so much. :bull:
 
Don't worry, JL, I'm not gonna attack it with an 8" bastard file. The obvious place that it is catching is the front outer corner. I'll dress that a bit and see how it goes.
As for straightening the lockplate, I spark tested her earlier and everything is fine.
DJL
 
Heck, a file is the best way to do it!

There is such a thing as close enough. Having a skin-tight fit used to be something that I just HAD to have. I would spend hours fiddling with it. However, it really ain't that critical. It is NOT going to be waterproof anyway, no matter how well you fit it. Just make it look good and close enough to keep the primer from blowing out! :winking:
 
Don't overlook bending. Frizzens can easily be annealed and rehardened, so if the fit is bad to the point where you're worried about taking off too much metal trying to fit it with a file, anneal the frizzen (you might be able to anneal just the part you need to bend) and bend it to fit.

Not saying it's easy, but it's an option.
 
Been there, done that! I think I had one once that the pan surface was slanted downward a bit (meaning down as you go away from the barrel). I heated and bent the frizzen just a smidge.
 
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