Future Flintlock Project

[wganz]

I've wanted for years to have a trade gun due to my reading of that time period and experiences in the 1970's heyday of rendezvous meets. Wanted to have a PC piece but something different than a Pedersoli from the Dixie Gun Works catalog. Saw several threads by @Rob M. and was inspired to have one built by him. Now, how to get both PC and unique? Was randomly clicking around and found this interesting entry about a French Flintlock that was recovered from a lake. What got my eye was that it was a purpose built short musket. Not going to deem it a 'Canoe' model since that term seems to be a modern construct but there is historical references to 'short' muskets plus the actual museum piece to reference to verify PC accuracy.

Nota bene: it has a purpose built 27" length barrel:

but the gauge / bore diameter wasn't given.

OK, so I set out to get pix of this bench copy. Found the museum of Ft. Michimilimackinac and got a contact; and emailed this list contact.
And believe it or not, got a response.

I responded in the affirmative and now the wait begins. Once the pix arrives, I'll post here for reference for all.

 

[Rob M.]

Road trip to Michilicamackinaw !!! very intriguing

 

[Brazos John]

Since Ft. Michimilimackinac was new to me, I looked it up, and it looks really cool!
It would be a great place to visit, especially during an event.
Alas, a road trip for me would be about 1450 miles, one way.
Besides, it looks like it's closed for the Winter.
Plus, the low tonight is 7 degrees with an inch of new snow.
Snow is fun to grow up in, but I'm too old for it now.
I'll stay warm in Texas. (Fingers crossed!)


Or go to Cancun with Ted Cruz!

 

[wganz]

Since Ft. Michimilimackinac was new to me, I looked it up, and it looks really cool!
It would be a great place to visit, especially during an event.
Alas, a road trip for me would be about 1450 miles, one way.
Besides, it looks like it's closed for the Winter.
Plus, the low tonight is 7 degrees with an inch of new snow.
Snow is fun to grow up in, but I'm too old for it now.
I'll stay warm in Texas. (Fingers crossed!)


Or go to Cancun with Ted Cruz!

Colonial Michilimackinac - Mackinac State Historic Parks

As far as Cancun, ... "Get Both" is always a valid answer.

 

[wganz]

 

[Blaze]

Fyi, I know Larry Young very well , have know him for many years. Larry built many guns over the years most for the Fort. Very knowledgeable.

 

[Grenadier1758]

@wganz, I think you may find Ryan Gale's book, "For Trade or Treaty" of great benefit in your search for a suitable trade gun. There are pictures of original trade guns of all barrel lengths. Short barrels, purpose built, may have been uncommon, but not unheard of.

 

[Rob M.]

The short guns were probably guns for boys . Sir William Johnson mentions this in one of his orders for trade guns ....

 

[user 43911]

I know it's a Pedersoli but I'm sure it could be used for everything, including a paddle.

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index...roduct_name/FR0665+Dixie+Brown+Bess+Trade+Gun

 

[hanshi]

Since Ft. Michimilimackinac was new to me, I looked it up, and it looks really cool!
It would be a great place to visit, especially during an event.
Alas, a road trip for me would be about 1450 miles, one way.
Besides, it looks like it's closed for the Winter.
Plus, the low tonight is 7 degrees with an inch of new snow.
Snow is fun to grow up in, but I'm too old for it now.
I'll stay warm in Texas. (Fingers crossed!)


Or go to Cancun with Ted Cruz!

That fort, Michimilimackinac be careful with that name. I once tried to pronounce it and summoned up a demon instead!

 

[wganz]

I know it's a Pedersoli but I'm sure it could be used for everything, including a paddle.

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index...roduct_name/FR0665+Dixie+Brown+Bess+Trade+Gun

I had seen those and was on 'that list' of guns considered to scratch that trade gun itch. I've had Pedersoli's before. I've got 2 Pedersoli's now. So, no hating of Pedersoli.
Just that I saw @Rob M. 's skillz and was wondering what could be done once pix are made available.
With @Blaze vouching for Larry Young's abilities, the repop that he made should be good to go.

 

[BillinOregon]

I'd love to visit the fort, having read about it off and on my whole life.
Cancun sounds nice, but with Ted? Ewww!

 

[Billy-by-gosh]

That fort, Michimilimackinac be careful with that name. I once tried to pronounce it and summoned up a demon instead!

Could that be a native version of the name Mister Mxyzptlk - Superman's nemesis ?

 

[wganz]

@wganz, I think you may find Ryan Gale's book, "For Trade or Treaty" of great benefit in your search for a suitable trade gun. There are pictures of original trade guns of all barrel lengths. Short barrels, purpose built, may have been uncommon, but not unheard of.

Thanks for the lead.
ISBN - 978-0976579755

Amazon linkage

 

[BillinOregon]

I always pronounced that "mik-zee-zuh-pit-lik" ... but not in years.

 

[Bnewberry]

I have driven past the fort many times as I live in Michigan. I have wondered about visiting but have always been in a hurry to get farther North.

I will have to plan for a visit.

 

[wganz]

The short guns were probably guns for boys . Sir William Johnson mentions this in one of his orders for trade guns ....

Depending on the circumstances, someone probably got their bottoms smooth wore out over losing it then.

 

[wganz]

@wganz, I think you may find Ryan Gale's book, "For Trade or Treaty" of great benefit in your search for a suitable trade gun. There are pictures of original trade guns of all barrel lengths. Short barrels, purpose built, may have been uncommon, but not unheard of.

Thusly ordered. Be here in about a week.

 

[wganz]

@wganz, I think you may find Ryan Gale's book, "For Trade or Treaty" of great benefit in your search for a suitable trade gun. There are pictures of original trade guns of all barrel lengths. Short barrels, purpose built, may have been uncommon, but not unheard of.

@Grenadier1758
Saw this book when ordering the above book. Do you have it? Read it? Recommend getting it?

The Art of the English Trade Gun in North America

 

[hawkenhunter50]

@Grenadier1758
Saw this book when ordering the above book. Do you have it? Read it? Recommend getting it?

The Art of the English Trade Gun in North America

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Can't comment on that book but another good one is Of Sorts for Provincials by Jim Mullins, it has some short barreled guns in there.

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/278/1/BOOK-OSFP