Getz barrels not dimensionally stable

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Yesterday (after 9 1/2 months delivery time) I received two barrels made for a chambers kit intended as interchangeable barrels, but they vary more than 0.04" at the waist and also substantially at the muzzle. The smaller barrel wobbles in the barrel channel and would need to be bedded. From a professional maker I already heard a recent complaint about a barrel having inaccurate outside dimensions.

Is this a known problem with Getz barrels, or perhaps a recent quality shift (as I heard the management changed)?

Robert
 
wow!!! kinda makes me glad my barrell is coming from L.C Rice. I also heard from jims wife that they weren't ordering barrells from getz because of problems with they're barrell,and he never returns phone calls :m2c: :shake:
 
in the world would anyone want interchangeable barrels???

The parts are for a friend. He does target shooting and insists the .58 is more stable at larger distances (wind drift) while the .50 serves him better at shorter distances. I can not confirm this, but as he does a lot of shooting I simply beleive it.

We now settled on ordering a second kit to make two independent guns.
 
Don retired several years ago and passed the business to his sons. That is not quite a recient change.

It sounds like they sent two different weight barrels. The .58 is not available in the more slinder tubes while the .50 is.

Have you called the shop?
 
Yes that is what I heard of in this context, but I did not know it is already years back. The barrels are the same wight, ordered directly by chambers for this kit as interchangeable units.

Perhaps the slimmer barrel was just machined over to remove existing dovetails. It can by used with the kit, but requires bedding allmost the entire lenght (the breech section is a drop fit).
 
I've also had problems with Getz barrel dimensions. I
once ordered a 'C' weight 38", but the barrel I
received was, after some investigation, a 'D' weight 42",
which was shortened the 4". And yes, I tried to get it resolved to no avail. I ended up selling the barrel to
another builder, and am very cautious about buying Getz
barrels... :(

Later I.C.
 
Anyone had trouble with Colerain? I have!!! :curse: I got one from TOW, and when I removed the breech plug to lay it out on a blank, I found that the threads were stripped! The threaded part of the plug was longer than the threaded portion of the barrel. :shocking: When the plug was tightened down, the threads were stripped and pulled. It's back at Colerain for "repair or replacement" as TOW called it.
 
..."The threaded part of the plug was longer than the threaded portion of the barrel..."

This sounds to me like a incorrectly machined breech plug, not a bad barrel.

I haven't seen a barrel which had "full threads" running right up to the shoulder where the bore starts. The only way to make such threads in the barrel is to hand tap the last few threads to the shoulder and even then there will still be an area which doesn't have full threads unless there is a "thread relief" machined in the area.
A thread relief is a annular groove which is larger than the major diameter of the threads and is usually about two thread pitches wide. The end face of the bore (the shoulder) forms one side of this relief.

If the breech plug threads are not removed in the area which will mait with the partial threads in the barrel, it will deform it's threads when it is tightened to the bottom.
If this happens, the plug will not seat out on the shoulder as it should, and when it is removed, its now deformed threads will tear up the barrel threads.

I vote to blame the breech plug, not the barrel maker (unless he is the one who installed the breech plug). ::
 
Have you ever heard the breach plug called the hut or hutt ?

I was talking t the Proofmaster at the London Proof House and he said they could supply and fit the hut if required, but there would be a hutting charge.

I didn't ask him how to spell it and it isn't in my dictionary.

Need a bigger dictionary ::
 
I have read on another board that Don said they are having trouble getting the kind of help they need at the shop (I think that means...good, stable, hardworking, dependable). I know they are running longer lead times than in the past.

But Getz will usually work with you to correct any problems, they do have a desire to please the customer. The hard part is getting them on the phone, the machinery makes it hard for them to hear the ringing and they are kinda busy making barrels.
 
TOW orders their barrels from Colerain already breeched. So, who ever installed the breech plug at Colerain botched the job. :nono: :shake: :rolleyes:
 
I got a .40 caliber B weight 38" Colerain swamped barrel from TOW. Because of Peter Alexander's comment in his book "The Gunsmith of Grenville County", page 62, about always checking fitted plugs, even from famous barrel makers, I pulled this one. There was about a .020 gap between the plug face and the bottom of the threaded breech. Because I had already done some work on the barrel, I decided to fix it myself. Had to cut the back of the barrel off with hacksaw and files, and turn the breech plug in two barrel flats to get it to bottom. Upon sighting in, the rifle shot left 10" at 50 yards. Considered bending the barrel, but did not. Adjusted it with the sights. Never could find a phone number for Colerain, didn't know how to reach them. A much better way would have been to fill this gap with a dime or piece of silver, but then, I am handsomer than I am smart. Just yesterday I pulled the breech from my .40 swamped Colerain in my Issac Haines, having shot it a few hundred times. It was perfectly bottomed, but there was the cake of solid fouling between the flash hole and plug face. Never used a breech scraper and don't pump cleaner through the bore, but will modify my cleaning to remove this fouling. The inside coned flash hole liner was free of fouling.
 
Naaa sorry Tiger not all Colerain barrels come breached and track sell them as such. Look in the TOW cat. and you will see barrels that are not breached for those who wish to have a specific type of breach. I have also heard roomers that Tow breaches the barrels and that Colerain send a matching breach but not installed, don
 
Captchee, I talked to Scott Keller at Colerain Monday and we discussed the barrel. He said that the damage was done to the barrel when it was breeched AT Colerain. He took down my address and phone number and said when he got the barrel from TOW, he'd look at it and go from there. Well, lo and behold, he called yesterday to say that the barrel had been repaired by replacing the breech plug with a properly fitting plug and was shipped back to me the same day. :applause: :haha: I can't say that ALL Colerain barrels are breeched, but the 44" swamped barrels are. :blah: :blah:
 
hey robert, i've used getz barrels on most of my rifles,
about 2 yrs. ago i recieved one a 42 inch already breeched
pluged. i built the rifle, used a chambers touch hole linner
so after test fireing, i plugged hole and filled with hot water. to my amazment the water started running out the
tang and down the stock. i called getz he said it was the
new taper on the plug threads. i put anti seiz on the threads and the water still ran out ??????. teflon tape
was next. "fixed" learned my lesson never think a plug
installed by someone else is tight. check for your self
then build gun. i now use mainly ed rael barrels :results:
 
Captchee, I talked to Scott Keller at Colerain Monday and we discussed the barrel. He said that the damage was done to the barrel when it was breeched AT Colerain. He took down my address and phone number and said when he got the barrel from TOW, he'd look at it and go from there. Well, lo and behold, he called yesterday to say that the barrel had been repaired by replacing the breech plug with a properly fitting plug and was shipped back to me the same day. I can't say that ALL Colerain barrels are breeched, but the 44" swamped barrels are.
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