Goex, back in business

[Mad L]

You can do anything you want. You can sell guns to minors, sell black powder at gun shows, rob banks, etc.

If one sells black powder one is required by federal law to have an explosive license. I have seen no exceptions for buying and selling BP to friends.

"NO EXCEPTIONS FORBUYING AND SELLING TO FRIENDS"

Well, I have not seen anything in writing that defines "Group Buy" as mentioned either.

Different states, different rules, even different Counties in a State can have different laws.
When I was in California (1990s, early 2000s) I was allowed 5 lbs in Pasadena, later I moved to San Fernando Valley, the law there said "2lb per person".
For "Group Buys" the one ordering and dividing had to have a permit (forget what it was called) and HAD to be a designated 'something or other' of a Group.
Back around 1998 we had a problem; it was discovered the 'Leader' was skimming powder (opening the cans and skimming off the top). A lot of anger broke out, others said they would make the purchase so we should go to them on the next buy - that was when someone printed out the 'Law' that explained not just anyone (in California) could legally make a 'Group Buy' because they would, for a moment in time, be in possession of more then the legal limit without that Group Permit (can't recall what it was, but not a technical 'explosive license')

Laws change, no idea what California details are today, don't care. Where I live not I am allowed up to 50 lbs, no explosives license required - BUT - a store (ammo dealer) has Strict rules so no one carries it here....but we do see it selling at gun shows...openly, on the table - these shows fallow the laws, don't want to be shut down...so I buy it, IF the price is right.

 

[hawkeye2]

If you "hold onto it for a week or two" then you are Storing It for a week or two.

Ya'll like to split hairs a lot around here and point fingers at each other for some of the silliest stuff.

There's a big difference between "something's come up and I can't get by till the middle of next week" and "I'll be able to pick it up in a couple of months" at least in my mind. The difference between accommodating a friend and being imposed on by someone. I guess that's splitting hairs using Occam's razor.

 

[hawkeye2]

Mad L you made a very valid point about exceeding the max allowable limit even if for just a few hours. I hadn't thought of that but the dealer won't allow over 50 lbs. to leave his place in one vehicle. Here in VA the limit is 50 lbs. which is more than any group buy by either of the 2 groups I've been a member of. While the person making the buy was usually a club officer that wasn't always true. The funds were in the form of a check from the treasurer to the dealer so that may have covered our tails but I'm not sure what the exact law is in VA. The important thing was that the funds had to be collected from the members along with a list of what they wanted before the purchase. I remember one time the dealer told us of a large price increase for caps so we bought a large amount and I had over 60,000 musket caps in my ammo safe in the basement but I'm not aware of any upper limit on caps.

 

[Mad L]

There's a big difference between "something's come up and I can't get by till the middle of next week" and "I'll be able to pick it up in a couple of months" at least in my mind. The difference between accommodating a friend and being imposed on by someone. I guess that's splitting hairs

"Possession" I hear is 9/10ths the law.
Just saying....by way of the other's mind set around here.

As for me; as long as I don't have more then 50lbs in my possession, and it's not in my way, I don't care.
But yes, like you say, I don't like to be 'imposed' upon - spent too much time with groups like that.

 

[Mad L]

Mad L you made a very valid point about exceeding the max allowable limit even if for just a few hours. I hadn't thought of that but the dealer won't allow over 50 lbs. to leave his place in one vehicle. Here in VA the limit is 50 lbs. which is more than any group buy by either of the 2 groups I've been a member of. While the person making the buy was usually a club officer that wasn't always true. The funds were in the form of a check from the treasurer to the dealer so that may have covered our tails but I'm not sure what the exact law is in VA. The important thing was that the funds had to be collected from the members along with a list of what they wanted before the purchase. I remember one time the dealer told us of a large price increase for caps so we bought a large amount and I had over 60,000 musket caps in my ammo safe in the basement but I'm not aware of any upper limit on caps.

As I have always heard (not bothered to look it up in years now) it is the Federal Law that limits a "civilian" to 50 lbs.
But many States limit that to less. In some states (only California that I have myself looked up) even County to County it can change.

At one range in California they had it posted "1 lbs per person, to be used on This range"
But when I asked for 1-2f and 1-3f please....they sold it to me (after making a copy of my driver's license and a quick back ground check...took about 10 min before they handed me back my license and the powder.

So, each time I went I bought 1 and 1, and if my wife went we each bought 1 and 1.....then drop it off at the car and pull out the already opened can and walk out to the range.
When I left California I had 12 lbs.....oops, did I say California law said "5 lbs per person"???

 

[TDM]

This series of post has been interesting hearing about all the restrictions in different states.
I buy my powder in person in Arkansas and Tennessee. Unless something has changed in the last 9-10 months, both states limit was 50 lbs per purchase. No DL check, and no signature. I certainly don’t buy that much, but it’s nice to know that I could.

 

[William Hagewood]

This series of post has been interesting hearing about all the restrictions in different states.
I buy my powder in person in Arkansas and Tennessee. Unless something has changed in the last 9-10 months, both states limit was 50 lbs per purchase. No DL check, and no signature. I certainly don’t buy that much, but it’s nice to know that I could.

Where in TN do you buy? I live in TN as well

 

[TDM]

Where in TN do you buy? I live in TN as well

Dixie Gun Works
That’s where I purchased my powder for many years. Last time I went was about a month before Goex shut down. My Son was with me on that trip so we both stocked up. I know they were liming purchases after the shutdown but they most likely have Schuetzen now I would think. I found a closer alternative source for Schuetzen. But I still have Goex that I use.

 

[Mad L]

Dixie Gun Works
That’s where I purchased my powder for many years. Last time I went was about a month before Goex shut down. My Son was with me on that trip so we both stocked up. I know they were liming purchases after the shutdown but they most likely have Schuetzen now I would think. I found a closer alternative source for Schuetzen. But I still have Goex that I use.

"Stocked Up"
Now THAT is the true term.
No such thing as 'hording'. That is a term used by those who could have 'Stocked Up' but didn't and now want to blame someone else.

 

[TDM]

"Stocked Up"
Now THAT is the true term.
No such thing as 'hording'. That is a term used by those who could have 'Stocked Up' but didn't and now want to blame someone else.

That’s the way I’ve always viewed it too.

 

[BrantWW]

So theoretically I have 1 lb of powder, and you don't have any, and I'm a hoarder?

Exactly (provided you have no sense of humor and can't read sarcasm).

 

[BrantWW]

Well; say you order 50lbs of black, you think you are going to split it between five friends....BUT...You ordered it, You signed the bill, it arrived at Your house with Your name on it....Do YOU have an explosive license to to 'sell' it to your friends and to 'store' it untill they come to get it?

Or; you go to an event with Four lbs of black. Someone there has none (our just a shot two worth).
Can You 'sell' him a pound if you dont have an explosive license?

One last point: where I live I am not required a license to 'store' 50 lbs or less - over 50, yes

Storing is not selling. Sell BP and you should have (to be legal) an explosives license.

 

[Bad Karma]

Good grief the hoops people have to jump through. If I have powder and you need some, just ask, I’ll spot you a day on the range. If you’re a friend I’ll give you a pound. You can do something for me another day. Just don’t abuse my friendship and this can go on forever. Or as long as I’m alive. I try to associate with men (and women) of good cheer.

@Dale Allen Raby you’re in a different boat all together. I hope you have friends who take care of yourself…

 

[hawkeye2]

"Hoarding disorder is a persistent difficulty discarding or parting with possessions because of a perceived need to save them. A person with hoarding disorder experiences distress at the thought of getting rid of the items. Excessive accumulation of items, regardless of actual value, occurs." (The Mayo Clinic)

It would seem to me by that definition a hoarder is one who buys or otherwise accumulates with no regard for need or future use and with no intention of using or otherwise disposing of the item(s).

My wife and I use 2f & 3f and I buy it in 5 lb. lots because it's cheaper and I don't have to worry about finding out I don't have enough powder the day before a skirmish. We could save money by buying even larger quantities but with a major distributor 12 miles down the road I see no need. Neither of us have done much shooting for the past couple of years and a 5 lb. bag will easily last us a season but most will be used before I restock and I'll add I have never run out of powder. Let me ask right now; am I a hoarder?

A tank of gas will last me 2+ weeks so If I fill up every 2nd. week am I hoarding fuel that I wont use in the next 7 days? I collect firearms and American Flyer trains so I'm hoarding them too? We, until recently, had 2 dogs so to someone who has none we are hoarding them also.

Could we please drop the subject of hoarding (or stockpiling) and move on?

Thanks for listening to my rant and BrantWW I like the term "temporary accumulator"

 

[TDM]

I agree @hawkeye2, it’s been beat up enough. Time to move on.

 

[William Hagewood]

Dixie Gun Works
That’s where I purchased my powder for many years. Last time I went was about a month before Goex shut down. My Son was with me on that trip so we both stocked up. I know they were liming purchases after the shutdown but they most likely have Schuetzen now I would think. I found a closer alternative source for Schuetzen. But I still have Goex that I use.

Thanks for the response. Schuetzen is all I have been able to find in TN as well. Too dirty for my guns

 

[Mad L]

Storing is not selling. Sell BP and you should have (to be legal) an explosives license.

I will be sure at the next gun show to make them show me their 'explosive license' before I buy from then again; will that allow you to sleep well at night? Or should I have them give me a copy so I can e-mail it to you? I really don't want you stressing out over this, it's not good for your health...

 

[Bubbass59]

I admit having a hoarder gene. As I am likely to die within the next couple of years, I am starting to inventory. I've got boxes and boxes of bullets for guns I no longer own. Discovered that plastic sabots work well for shooting such things in my ML guns. Still don't have enough powder though.

Foumd that a 180 grain .40 caliber cast bullet inside a .45 caliber sabot atop 7 grains of fffg black powder topped off with 70 grains of Triple 7 makes a pretty accurate and potent load in my T/C Hawken. Looking forward to trying .45 caliber 200 Hornady XTP bullets in my T/C White Mountain Carbine which has a 1:28 twist.

Think I'll wait until after Christmas before I start shopping for powder again. Lessee now.... how much powder can I burn in two years? Hmmmm....

Do you have a 50 cal. Or 45...?

 

[Stantheman86]

As long as you're not "hoarding " to gouge or resell, who cares. If you've got $1000 to blow on 50lb of Blackpowder , stack it deep.

Either you're gonna shoot it and enjoy it or your family will hock it when you die, probably back to a gun shop that sells blackpowder.

I just bought 200 Minie balls , I'm an ammunition hoarder

 

[BrantWW]

"Hoarding disorder is a persistent difficulty discarding or parting with possessions because of a perceived need to save them. A person with hoarding disorder experiences distress at the thought of getting rid of the items. Excessive accumulation of items, regardless of actual value, occurs." (The Mayo Clinic)

It would seem to me by that definition a hoarder is one who buys or otherwise accumulates with no regard for need or future use and with no intention of using or otherwise disposing of the item(s).

My wife and I use 2f & 3f and I buy it in 5 lb. lots because it's cheaper and I don't have to worry about finding out I don't have enough powder the day before a skirmish. We could save money by buying even larger quantities but with a major distributor 12 miles down the road I see no need. Neither of us have done much shooting for the past couple of years and a 5 lb. bag will easily last us a season but most will be used before I restock and I'll add I have never run out of powder. Let me ask right now; am I a hoarder?

A tank of gas will last me 2+ weeks so If I fill up every 2nd. week am I hoarding fuel that I wont use in the next 7 days? I collect firearms and American Flyer trains so I'm hoarding them too? We, until recently, had 2 dogs so to someone who has none we are hoarding them also.

Could we please drop the subject of hoarding (or stockpiling) and move on?

Thanks for listening to my rant and BrantWW I like the term "temporary accumulator"

My comment in answer to "define hoarder" was 100% sarcasm.