Good day for GE ML hunting!!!

[PreglerD]

Hello my fellow american hunters! today is a good day for establishing ML-hunting in GE. The national hunting association of GE, the DJV, gave a statement about using ML for hunting. They said that ML-hunting isn't forbidden at all in GE, it is not even ruled. So ML hunters can do what they like. They only have to take care for reaching the ruled 100 meter energy for roe (1000 J) and for big game (2000 J). So I had tested this already and with cal. 45 to .50 and using of conicals it is enough for roes (1000 J).Cal. 54 and more with conicals is enough for big game. A .54 PRB with a touhg load will perhaps even able to reach 1000 J at 100 m.

So we all can be happy in GE. No more silly arguements, no senceless bla bla.

 

[BRUN]

Awesome!!Glad to hear that. :thumbsup:

 

[paulvallandigham]

Congratulations. I hope the word spreads, more hunters take up Black Powder, and that the entire country gets a new understanding of how much satisfaction there is in hunting with these old firearm systems. Modern made rifles and smoothbores are as good as you can get, and everyone gets a lot os satisfaction out of using them for both target shooting and hunting. Certainly there is small game to be hunted with Black Powder. If you have been reading all the other posts under this Hunting topic, many members here get as much satisfaction out of killing squirrel with small caliber rifles as they do taking a nice deer in the Fall. In many ways, getting in range of a squirrel and getting a clean shot is much more demanding that deer hunting.

Hunting is about being there, as you well know. It would be nice to see people in Germany taking the time to get out of the offices, and cities, leave their watches behind, and enjoy a day hunting in the woods. Leave the cell phones, the radios, the Ipods, and all those other distractions of modern living behind and find a quiet spot in the woods and sit and watch, and listen. Above all else, listen. Close your eyes and find out how much more you hear. Open them and learn how much more you now actually see! Close your eyes, and notice how much more you smell, and taste. With your eyes closed feel the bark of that tree next to you, the top and bottom of the branches, the dust that gathers on the top of large branches, the smooth place where an animal has walked knocking off the dust.

 

[bigbore442001]

Waidmannsheil, Kirrmeister:

It is good news indeed.Now you have to go out and hunt.

 

[RC]

congrats! course this means you'll be all practiced up when ya come to the states, right? good fer you and germany! :hatsoff: RC

 

[jethro224]

Good deal Kirrmeister! :thumbsup:
Now go get 'em! We're looking forward to seeing some pictures of your ML kills.

 

[PreglerD]

I now have read the statement in original. The DJV says that the ruled 100 meter energy is only valid for rifle cartridges. When using other cartridges (slugs) or muzzleloaders you don't take care about this energies.

In their point of view there are 2 problems with ML:
1. You are unable to make a quick second shot

2. The distance disciplin of the hunter.

To this I say you don't have a scond quick shot too when you use a single shot cartridge rifle. Normally a second quick shot is not necessary because either you have a kill in the tracks or the hitten deer ran so fast away that it is impossible to make a second shot, even with an automatic rifle.

The distance disciplin is also with modern firearms necessary.

Please your comments my fellow US-ML hunters!

 

[RC]

I think you covered it! and very well too!RC :thumbsup:

 

[Rat Trapper]

Waidmannsheil Kirrmeister,
Looking forward to pictures and a post of you next roe deer hunt.

 

[romeoh]

I now have read the statement in original. The DJV says that the ruled 100 meter energy is only valid for rifle cartridges. When using other cartridges (slugs) or muzzleloaders you don't take care about this energies.

It´s just as I said. Carefully read the laws text and don´t just believe what the DEVA says.
The law-text says "rifle-cartridge" and when you pick a non-rifled weapon or a weapon that uses no cartridge you don´t have to bring the energy.

Congratulations! :thumbsup:
Now you can take a deep breath after that success - and then take your ML and go out in the woods for hunting.

By the way, you better don´t ask about the energy-limit when using a percussion-sharps. There you could use a cartridge - a paper-cartridge... :rotf:


romeoh

 

[PreglerD]

I would never use a sharps rifle. I'm a muzzleloading hunter, so I use my cal .54 Investarm Hawken, now as allowed with PRB's.

By the way my friend, thanks for the €'s. They have already arrieved. I hope we get the order in a week.

 

[bigbore442001]

One of the things that you may want to keep in the back of your minds now that you can use muzzleloaders is to make sure that you take clean kills.

You may be under more scrutiny by the hunting clubs and authorities.Thus you want to make sure you show that the weapons are up to the task.

Maybe I am wrong with that statement, but it is something in the back of my mind.

 

[RC]

One of the things that you may want to keep in the back of your minds now that you can use muzzleloaders is to make sure that you take clean kills.

You may be under more scrutiny by the hunting clubs and authorities.Thus you want to make sure you show that the weapons are up to the task.

Maybe I am wrong with that statement, but it is something in the back of my mind.

BOY ain't that the truth! funny ya could wound them an they get away w/ a modern gun,but heaven forbid if it happens w/ a ml...."well if he didn't have that ole thing" :cursing: :cursing: course ml shooters are more better shots! (must be that "ya only get one" thing heh? :shocked2: RC

 

[PreglerD]

I think every real hunter will try to make cleankills. No worry which kind of weapon he is using. It is a kind of animal ethics to kill fast and clean. But I know what you really mean. Opponents of ML hunting will wait for the smallest falt to call us deer tormentors, so as if bad shots only with ML would be possible. Normally especially the primitive hunter knows very detailed what his weapon is able to realize.

 

[bramble]

Kirrmeister,
Its funny, but I had the immediate reaction that Bigbore & RC had. It sounds like a big step forward, but I'd begin thinking of how to preserve it.
We all know that the weapons are up to the task, the weak links are those who use (or misuse) the weapons and misperceptions that are allowed to take root.
In following your posts, I'd say that you are a good ambassador for muzzleloading in GE. :hatsoff:
bramble

 

[PreglerD]

In GE every person who wants to hunt gets the same education. You have to make a 1 year course or a shorter crash course, but with the same contents. After that there is a multiple choice test. When you managed it successful you go to the colloquium and when you managed this successful you go to the shooting and handling test.
When you want to use a ML you need a BP permission.So every hunting person knows how to behave in the forest and what the used rifle is able to bring, equal if modern or primitive. The duty of a clean kill is for all hunters the same.

 

[PreglerD]

Misshots can also happen with modern scoped firearm, and I would say even much more, because the user doesn't really know the limits. The ML hunter more does.

 

[RC]

kirrmeister, we're not disagreeing with ya,,well,i'm not,i have more faith in traditional muzzleloading hunters than modern hunters,for the reasons you state..but just seems uninformed people, or rather people with little or no knowledge of ml's, seem to think they're in efficient,so we must try harder..if that's possible to gain their approval,or at least not give them a reason to become anti ml...but it sure sounds like your education course there is a lot more than ours here..a good thing! yer doin good! keep it up! :thumbsup: :hatsoff: RC

 

[PreglerD]

Hi RC,

you describe the main problem which gunusers and non gunusers (legal) have with each other. Even the gunusers who don't shoot ML have no idea of the accuracy, energy and so of an ML. They only think we use old rubbish. In GE we start now to support the theme to make ballistic measures with various Ml-rifles which we write down and publish in gun magazines. We will do the same when we have deer harvest. First ML-shooting then foto shooting and printing in the press. So everyone can see that ML are clean killers.

 

[Rat Trapper]

Herr Kirrmeister,
The education and training required to get a license in Germany is not all bad. I found it fun and informative while I went through it to get my german hunting license. Later on I helped teach some hunting classes in Germany. Hunting in Germany was a real good experence for me. I have often thought it might not be so bad if some of the people in American had to under go more training.