I tried the Skychief method but didn't have a lot of luck with it. I will try it again eventually as a lot of people swear by it. I loaded it with powder, 2os cards, durafelt wad, shot and an os card. Its tough to watch turkeys turn and leave when they are stretched out staring, looking for the hen at 35 yards and you know you can't shoot unless he comes at least 10 yards closer, and to be honest 25 yards is the absolute max that I need to be shooting at one. 20 is better. I am still looking for that 30 yard pattern from this gun but might have to settle or find another gun. Sure is a blast when it works out though! Thanks to all for the compliments!