GPH Boat ore or shooting stick?

[Shifty]

Hey Stump I have a GPR disposal service so just mail it to me no ques. asked. No really mine shoots great up to 150yds.(4" group) never shot it any farther.I use the 385grn GP bullet ,80grns fffg,factory sights.

 

[rbfree]

When you say that you had trouble getting the gun together that makes me wonder. What did the guy at the shop do? I know the guy at the local ML supply shop here recommends them first and formost when guys come in looking for guns and I don't think he would do that if they where going to be a problem. He wants guys in the sport not turned off of it.

Hears the deal, I got on here and asked which rifle I should get for hunting deer and elk. everyone on this site recommended the GPR or GPH. I found a GPH at sportsmens wharehouse and bought it. We got it home and tried to put the barrel in the stock and couldn't get it to fit correctly. so much so that you could not even get the barrel tangs in. Now Im not a total newbe Ive had a cabelas rifle in .58 for 20 years but my 15 year old son has laid claim to that one. so I wanted another .58 but I couldnt find one. I took this new GPH to a local black powder shop and he worked on getting it into the stock for about 3 hours. he also said this was one of the worst fits he had ever seen come from Lyman. SO Off to shoot the new gun pull the trigger, nothing! What?!! Pull again boom this goes on for every shoot. So I get on hear[url] http://www.muzzleloadingforum....php?tid/213836/post/489831/hl//fromsearch/1/[/url]
I also send an email to Lyman I will say they have great service!!


Dear Sir,

We will send you a new nipple as the one you have is apparently "mushroomed". This can be caused by dry firing or just too many hits. Our nipples should easily accept any #11 cap. As for the sights there is information in your owners manual for making adjustments such as filing the height and width to suit your needs. If that is not something you wish to do, we do offer our 57GPR tang mounted peep sight that works well with our 17AEU front globe sight. These are available from ours or other websites.
If a barrel does not easily drop into the stock sometimes all that needs to be done is to loosen the tang screw to ease the tension. If you continue to have trouble with the gun you may send it to our factory for repair.

Lyman customer service

So I get the new nipple on and that fixed that. My question is How did it get musroomed? I never dry fired it.

now the rest is probable me as Ive never used the old fashion buck horn and thick fat front blade. Im going to put better sights on it and shoot some different ammo and see if that hit better. I guess My biggest problem with the GPH is I could have bought a cabelas hawken and been shooting right out of the box for about $150 bucks less. If I was to do it over again I believe I would have got the rifle version of this

. anyway Im still hopeing I can get this figured out. Cheers Stump

 

[rbfree]

If a barrel does not easily drop into the stock sometimes all that needs to be done is to loosen the tang screw to ease the tension.

FYI If ya do this most likly the screw heads snap off as mine did.

 

[ravenousfishing]

Who knows if or whom handled your rifle before it was shipped to you. If it came from a store, it was possible someone dry fired the gun in the process of "looking" at it. Probably not, since it appears that the barrel hadn't been fitted to the tang/ stock. More than likely, someone may have swapped the nipples out for another customer and never replaced it. I guess you will never know. As to the fitting issues on the GPR, like yourself, I bought my GPR this fall based on posts on this forum and when I went to put it together, couldn't get the wedges in. After cussing the gun, and giving up for the day, I noticed a thread on this forum where other users had the same problem. Just a matter of a few minutes with a file to the inside of the lugs and everything was fine. Of course if I had taken the time to read the entire owners manual "BEFORE" I tried to put it together, I would have noticed the entire page on how to adjust the wedges :redface: Any way, the gun shoots great now. Best of luck.

 

[rbfree]

Yea I read the manual but the stock was messed up. what I should have done was ship it back to Lyman.

 

[Napper]

sorry I though that I said that I was shooting 410 grain. bullets from my GPH 50 cal. that is with 80 grains of 3f its just not as havey as I would like. I have taken 2 elk with this load and 370 maxie hunter neather was a pass through. But then I have been with the guys I hunt with and they shoot 54's and they doin't get pass through eather I doin't think that I have seen a pass through with any black powder gun all with 400 or heaver maxie hunters. tom

 

[rbfree]

WOW Tom In My Cabelas Hawkin .58 I ve had 4 pass throughs with patched roundballs. I never shot conicals till I got this 54 with a 1-32 twist. I thought the 339 ball-ets would group a lot better than they do. After the new sights get on the gun I'll group the 425 grain hornadys and maxi hunters and see the differance.

 

[Old40Rod]

Tom, try switching to FFg... 80 3f is a fair piece of load, essentially the max 3f charge Lyman recommends for bullets of that size.

 

[Old40Rod]

Stump, it probably didn't mushroom. I have found, as have others, that the Lyman factory nipples are just a bit large for a good fit on #11 caps. Quick work with a needle file takes care of the problem.

 

[Hunter66]

I have to agree 80 grains is lighter than I would want to shoot at elk. If I was still doing guiding for elk, I'd recommend you shoot a conical as well. Elk that do not drop where hit, have a real bad habit of going places you and your guide would rather not go! Now getting a dead elk out of those places is even worse. Oh and just for the record, moose that do not drop where hit, often find water. Dead moose in water is not fun either.

I totally agree with this! Elk often can cover a lot of bad ground after a lethal hit, I've been there and done that. A 58 or 62 is more to my liking. In a 50 or 54 with a conical or a PRB I would like more than 80gr of fffg especially if it is a flintlock. I do 90gr fffg with a 370 maxiball in 50 and 120gr ffg with a 330gr sabot from[url] www.PRbullet.com[/url] in the 54, both flintlocks. No it's not traditional but those sabots are deadly and he has a great assortment and I'll gladly give up traditional if it means not wounding something and not finding it.