Grains by weight or volume???

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David has the right idea here. You find the best load with weighed charges, then adjust your "volume Measure" to throw that weight, and you are all set. When you throw a charge by the volume measure, you are very close to the actual weight of the powder.

ADK Bigfoot
 
Trooper said:
I’m after precision. As Idaho Lewis states, “I’m all about squeezing as much accuracy out of my rifle as possible”. His technique of weighing his charge, using an over powder wad and his paper patched I bullet in his stock 1-48 twist TC Hawken is sure an eye opener. If I can recreate his results, then I’ll be truly ready for long range competition. I’m not after minute of pie plate accuracy, I want better than that, much better than that. Watch his videos on YouTube to see his results. He also stated that the only things he changed on his rifles are the rear and front sites. He uses either the Williams FP tang site or the Lyman tang site. heres video of his shooting at a gong at 500 yards as he states, "Pretty doggone cool"
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Ok jist fer giggles, i make my own sighgtszz "i used to work as a jewler"
I build my own gunz! I do accurately measure for muzzelerszzz. I also load all my own unmentionableszzzz
Unfortunately, i also have an unrestrained sense of humor,and feel you boys all need pokin🤭so there it iz aint internet wunaful!
Bee blessed!🕊🐝
 
The horse is dead and long gone buried. Please stop beating the headstone. It is disrespectful. BP or substitute by volume. Thank you!
 
Trooper said:
I’ve found that I can weigh my powder and bottle the weighed powder in a small vial. I can load up 30 or 50 vials for an afternoon of shooting or hunting. A few of these vials can take up space in my possibles bag when hunting.
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Yep, here in Absurdistan, loading in tubes is a habit and an obligation: for almost forty years it is strictly forbidden to load with powder horns for target shooting (again more in a match) and also for hunting...
If you need fifty charges for the afternoon you must prepare them before shooting and at home, so the weight is always a good one but you need too many tubes...
Habits and laws are different in each country, and here it's "Tubes, tubes, tubes"...
 
Erwan said:
Yep, here in Absurdistan, loading in tubes is a habit and an obligation: for almost forty years it is strictly forbidden to load with powder horns for target shooting (again more in a match) and also for hunting...
If you need fifty charges for the afternoon you must prepare them before shooting and at home, so the weight is always a good one but you need too many tubes...
Habits and laws are different in each country, and here it's "Tubes, tubes, tubes"...
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What?! Please explain!
 
NorthFork said:
What?! Please explain!
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Simple: this afternoon, I have been at the range with one of my Pennsylvania rifles that eats 40 grains for target shooting at fifty meters. So, I have been there with thirty-two plastic tubes with 40 grains inside each: => Powder flasks or horns are forbidden, only powder in plastic or glass tubes... :(

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Erwan said:
Simple: this afternoon, I have been at the range with one of my Pennsylvania rifles that eats 40 grains for target shooting at fifty meters. So, I have been there with thirty-two plastic tubes with 40 grains inside each: => Powder flasks or horns are forbidden, only powder in plastic or glass tubes... :(
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We wanna know where they are SO ackbasswards
 
Which is a plus. By pre-measuring your charges, you have the advantage of consistent charges for your loads. By weighing those charges, you reduce variation which produces vertical stringing. When you reduce variables, like weighing charges, like weight/sorting cast balls and measuring the thickness of patches, and applying lube to those patches carefully, you increase accuracy. And if you are shooting for accuracy, that is what matters! I have shot less than fifty rounds in the last year that were not fueled by pre-measured tubes of powder: line shoot or woods-walk.

The name of the game is the same! But only if accuracy matters to you. If you shoot to make noise and smoke, any load combination will do. In fact, the more powder the better!

ADK Bigfoot
 
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Erwan said:
Simple: this afternoon, I have been at the range with one of my Pennsylvania rifles that eats 40 grains for target shooting at fifty meters. So, I have been there with thirty-two plastic tubes with 40 grains inside each: => Powder flasks or horns are forbidden, only powder in plastic or glass tubes... :(
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no, no,no-

You can't have a powder horns?? You have to load powder into vials?? I'm so sorry?
 
About 22 years ago I had some time on my hands so I gathered all my measures and weighed 100 grain loads of GOEX 3Fg and 2Fg, then I also measured some Elephant powder. The results have been posted before. Even carefully setting the marking on the measure to 100 grains, I had some variance on the results. The measurements of each measure was consistent, being about +/- 1 grain although the charges varied from one measure at 98 (I want to exclude my 200 grain measure) to 107 grains. This was a settled measurement after tapping to settle and filling to the top. Do note that the settled weight was 2 grains more than the unsettled weight.

Anyway, here is a link to the earlier posting and the table.

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/how-many-grains-in-a-pound.138868/page-4#post-1943140
 
ADK Bigfoot said:
Which is a plus. By pre-measuring your charges, you have the advantage of consistent charges for your loads. By weighing those charges, you reduce variation which produces vertical stringing. When you reduce variables, like weighing charges, like weight/sorting cast balls and measuring the thickness of patches, and applying lube to those patches carefully, you increase accuracy. And if you are shooting for accuracy, that is what matters! I have shot less than fifty rounds in the last year that were not fueled by pre-measured tubes of powder: line shoot or woods-walk.

The name of the game is the same! But only if accuracy matters to you. If you shoot to make noise and smoke, any load combination will do. In fact, the more powder the better!

ADK Bigfoot
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Absolutely!

I seldom use a powder measure out in the field. Its all premeasured and put into sealed tubes.
 
I have read that black powder is measured by volume not weight and that five grain , more or less makes very little difference. In my favorite 54 Cal. M.L. I use 80 grains by volume. If it got any better I couldn't stand it. L.O.L.!
 
LME said:
I have read that black powder is measured by volume not weight and that five grain , more or less makes very little difference.
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I have read Horatio Ross, Captain of the Scottish team for the Elcho Shield (long range match fired at 800, 900 & 1000 yards), writing in 1864: "Weigh every charge of powder carefully before going to the rifle range; for, unless you attend to this, your shooting will be irregular." Source: The Scotsman, 14 April 1864.

Dispensing by volume works for some applications and variance in powder charge may give acceptable results for some. For other applications consistently weighing powder charges will be necessary. There is no one-size-fits-all in muzzle loading.

When you’re all done with this thread there’s another similar going here.

David
 

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