Hand cannon on ebay

[robinghewitt]

Click here for the auction link :thumbsup:

 

[robinghewitt]

Couldn't resist, bid 800 bucks, nobody is to say anything about it being Spanish tourist tat until the price exceeds 800 ::

 

[SquirrelsaurusR]

...nobody is to say anything about it being Spanish tourist tat...

Spanish what?

 

[robinghewitt]

Spanish what?

-mutter- must be deaf -grumble- looks like I'll have to shout -mutter-

:crackup:

 

[SquirrelsaurusR]

Thanks, that helped a bunch...

 

[Stumpkiller]

Yeah, but it's got "Proximal" and "Distal" daimeters. That has to be worth something just on vocabulary alone.

"Tat" ~ to do or make by tatting.

So, Robin means that barrel was formed of knotted cotton or linen . . . No, that probably isn't correct. :hmm:

 

[robinghewitt]

Tourist tat is junk made specifically to sell to tourists who know no better.

Anyone know what EFTIS is? I have Googled without success

 

[Stumpkiller]

What is EFTIS? I found the following:

VAD

 

[robinghewitt]

Everything pilfered from Kuwait and the Museums of Bagdad and Sri Lanka had to end up somewhere.

The big pillaging is at the Roman sites in Bulgaria.

This is supposedly Swedish, plus they invite you to take it to a Museum for validation, money back if not as described and that includes the date. It could be a 19th century repro, but how can you tell?

I think it will go in the closing seconds for around $1800 to $2500, maybe a lot more.

OTOH, I could be wrong, maybe I should bid again

 

[Stumpkiller]

. . . but how can you tell?

Beyond me. Anyone with enough knowledge to detect a fake has enough knowledge to engineer a fake.

I believe there is a lot of it which goes on, "honestly" and otherwise. Someone 30 or 40 years ago wanted to create an object convincingly similar to an authentic piece, and it falls into uninformed, conniving or outright villainous hands.

There are many smiths now engaged in "defarbing" reproduction muzzleloaders to remove any modern markings. Twenty years from now I guarantee some relative will be totally convinced they have an authentic item.

That's why anthropologists and archeologists get so mad at amatures. Once an item is removed from it's surroundings it becomes worthless because it is impossible to date accurately and may just be a clever fake.

I understand there is a small industry in Morocco to carve fossils for the American market. 200 hours of labor to turn a worthless rock into a $200 fossil seems insane to us, but not at their labor rates.

The one below is currently $900 on eBay.

So, is it a perfect example or a perfect forgery? "Professional excavation" from a quarry near St. Petersburg, Russia. ". . . well preserved and beautifully prepped. . . ."


Caveat emptor.

 

[arilar]

Yes Stumpy and Robin,
Now you know about EFTIS! But can you read and understand the swedish text? I will help you. What Stumpy has found is an explanation about the Finnish social child-care system regarding how to help parents caring for their children in the time-lap between school has ended in afternoon and the parents has finished their work.
If you are interested in a more exact translation, just give me a PM. If there is a wider interest in this matter I might post it at "General Interest".
BTW, in sweden we call EFTIS instead FRITIS, just wanted you to know.
Regards,
ARILAR :: :thumbsup:

 

[arilar]

Swedish Robin, did you say Sweeeeedish!?
Lets see know..... "Once in a lifetime opportunity"..... "surfaced from a private collection in Sweden".........So, the collector or relatives didnt want to sell the item in Sweden, prefered to smuggle it to England and letting a firm selling it at eBay?.......Why not, nothing fishy in that? Why should a Swedish bronze-cannon sell better in Sweden?......(I want that cannon)... Yes, I know two bronze-handcannons from prior of 1400 exist in sweden. Both in Museums in Stockholm, The Loshult cannon found in the south of Sweden ( about 8 inch long) and the M

 

[robinghewitt]

Hi Arilar, Viking chum ::

You don't seem entirely convinced ::

I really need that barrel, I already have an eBay 15th century gun lock, with this barrel all that is missing is the piece of wood.

How much do you think it is worth? :thumbsup:

Squire Robin

 

Hey Squire! Did you see this one on Ebay US?

14th Century Hand cannon

Just my :m2c:

PS, Check out the Feb-Apr 2005 issue of Buckskinner, there's an article on Handgonnes. :shocking:

 

[robinghewitt]

Hot dickerty, these things are getting as common as reamed out Enfields :shocking:

 

Hi Arilar, Viking chum ::

You don't seem entirely convinced ::

I really need that barrel, I already have an eBay 15th century gun lock, with this barrel all that is missing is the piece of wood.

How much do you think it is worth? :thumbsup:

Squire Robin

What sort of lock are you going to put on a gonne, Squire???

 

[robinghewitt]

What sort of lock are you going to put on a gonne, Squire???

I'm starting to wonder if period corect for this thing might be a Zippo ::

 

[arilar]

Was it that obvious Robin?
Well, dont know much about bronze-handcannons but that one is surely not swedish (doubt it is even European). And, if for strange reasons, it originally was, its historically value is for ever destroyed and will never ever be regarded swedish. Because of reasons Stumpy pointed out with items ,often illegaly, found and moved. :curse:
If not connected with that fairy-tale that cannon could have been interesting if I "needed it" and I could live with that $800 as a cost. But with that saga attached to the item :shake:
Why dont you let someone in England make a nice copy of lets say the "Tannenberg-model 1399", or whatever is on your mind? :imo:
ARILAR :: :thumbsup:

 

[benvenuto]

Warning on fake cannons and lantakas for sale on ebay

http://bronzecannon.net/fake_cannons.htm