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John your absolutely right, I am no stranger to off hand but appatuere sights and wind flags are something I am going to have to master too. Thank you for the help this past weekend. Because of your help the Hawken is shaping up very nicely.

Below are a few targets that were created with the new Hawken 'Big 58', as I am calling it since it really does roar when it goes off. John L. shot the first two targets showing that the Hawken sure likes the .575 round balls and a tight ball and patch combo. The third target was shot by yours truly. The photos show how accurate the Hawken really is with its Green Mountain Barrel and the patch combo that John L. has come up with. The groups are all (5) shot groups also. John also introduced me to something called Black Solve which I feel in part is responsible for the accuracy. Misting with the Black Solve makes loading ALOT easier and the resulting groups don't lie either. I was skeptical of the Black Solve at first and asked John if this was something new on the market. He told me that it had been sold by Dixie (I think) for many many years. I am slow to accept new things sometime so this was good news. I shot a target using the Windex type of swabbing between each shot and the groups opened up a bit. So for now I am going to stick with what works as in the photos. I am not sure if the caliber itself is just inherently accurate or it is because of the barrel, or perhaps it is the tweaking that ol' John L. has done on this rifle that has made it so. But most likely it is a combination of the sum of all of the above that makes it that way.

Both John L. and myself experienced a fouling problem and the reason was soon discovered by John L.. He found that for whatever reason, the flash hole at the bottom of the nipple and the connecting fire channel to the pattent breach powder chamber were misaligned. This was due to the nipple hole not being drilled deep enough which caused a small right angle to be formed at the juncture of the two. This was causeing the fouling to build up at that point and raise havoc with the ignition. John unbreeched the rifle and used various tools including his dremmel tool to mill out that area and make the transition a smooth one and not so abrupt. So far it is working great as the target shot on 05/22/06 shows. The accuracy has always been present from the first shot and now the igniton seems to be great also. Ignition is important since I am going to go bear hunting with it!

I will be doing lots of testing with 2F and 3F charges, patch/ball combos to see just how well it will perform with each.

I am still taking my time in building/finishing the rifle and don't want to hurry it. I am going to be working on developing some accurate loads for the 50yd and 100yd distances for the X Stick matches in the future. And then I will get down to finishing the stock and the metal parts.

More photos and stories of the Hawken Big 58 to follow soon,

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rabbit03
 
Here is another view of the last target with a quarter covering most of the 5 shots at the 25yds from the Big 58.

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rabbit03
 
This is just another comparison of what a dime looks like on top of the group made on May 16, 2006. Interesting huh, considering this is a (5) shot group with a Big 58 cal.

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rabbit03
 
I was skeptical of the Black Solve at first and asked John if this was something new on the market. He told me that it had been sold by Dixie (I think) for many many years.

Nice shooting gun. Rabbit, I've been using that product for 25 years at least. It works.
 
reddogge said:
I was skeptical of the Black Solve at first and asked John if this was something new on the market. He told me that it had been sold by Dixie (I think) for many many years.

Nice shooting gun. Rabbit, I've been using that product for 25 years at least. It works.


Good stuff. John told me about it too. Been using ever since. Barrel cleans up fast.
 
***Sean*** said:
reddogge said:
I was skeptical of the Black Solve at first and asked John if this was something new on the market. He told me that it had been sold by Dixie (I think) for many many years.

Nice shooting gun. Rabbit, I've been using that product for 25 years at least. It works.


Good stuff. John told me about it too. Been using ever since. Barrel cleans up fast.

Me too! Black Solve's good stuff! :thumbsup:

Davy
 
Alright FW here we go! I just wanted to post a few pics before I really start working on finishing the metal and wood down. I am still amazed at how well this rifle shoots. I think several factors have contributed to how well it is shooting. I am no slouch at shooting, no brag just fact, John L, Hinnant has played a major part also in making this barrel do as well as it could by truing it up on his lathe and all of the other machining and tweeking he has done, the Black Solve also is a good thing! The fact that it is fitted with a Green Mountain Barrel is no accident and it is performing as well if not better than all of the other Green Mountain Barrels I have used on my rifles! They shoot where you point them! I think the style also lends itself to accuracy. The fit of the Hawken to a man is incredible. I have nothing to gain either by saying this, again only stating fact.

I shot this rifle with 120 grains repeatedly at the shoot with out even a bruise on the shoulder. It is amazing that the shape and weight of this rifle lends itself to one that is a joy to shoot with a heavy charge. I am going to shoot it with a 200 grn charge of 2F also soon just to get a feel of it. I can tell you that when we started firing this rifle for the first time with 50-85 grns, it felt like a .22 rifle and that is about it. I bedded this rifle on the bottom three flats with an epoxy so as to make a very tight fit up of the barrel and stock area. I am going to go back in and bed it with colored epoxy to match the wood on the side flats so if there are any areas that need to be filled in this will not only do the bedding job but also fill in any spots that need to be filled between the barrel and stock.

I am going to remove all the cating marks from the steel and then file and sand the stock down and whisker it several times to get as smooth a finish as I can. I have talked to numerous folks about how to finish the rifles' stock and metal parts. I am still leaning toward the acid finish especially since I have had good luck with it and like the way it turns out. I am not sure about the metal finish though. I know I want the rifle to look aged instead of brand new (my preference) so a slow rust bluing is what I would like to do. I would also like to color case harden the lock cause I like that look too. I am trying to end up with a rifle that would look as though it had been in service for say 10-15 yrs and then someone put it up for about 150 yrs or so to keep it in good condition.

Ok Fred enough talk here are the last photos before I start to finish the rifle, enjoy,

rabbit03

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From all accounts ya give em quite a workout last weekend at Brady Tony! :grin:

Davy
 
Hey its looking good to me!! You might of even out shot my 5 53s since yours is a bigger ball. I lost one in the photo bucket but one is still up (on Hawk page 1 I think )I covered all 5 the same way. Did ya fix that gap? Myself Id use a small sliver of wood if you havent, use balsa first to get it perfect. The thing with the hammer out of line what ya think caused that? Ive never really bed a ML before so I tool out the Hawk 1 and laid dry long grass in it and put the barrel back in, dang if it didnt work? Or I had a better than normal day. ( Its been really bad for me the last week, so i went out shooting today I was useing the 62 underhammer with 610 ball at 25yds and 150grs of 2f on a tall but thin water heater (maybe 20 to25 lbs) each shot picked it up and over :rotf: ) Take your time but HURRY UP!!! with your 58 it looks to be a really good one !! Fred :hatsoff:
 
rabbit,
Great looking rifle! Just wondering
if you are done with the stock, if not what
are your plans are.
Just one other point, it is my
understanding that bedded barrels are a :nono:
at least in.
compitition goverened by NMLRA, at least as
far as traditional shooting is involved.
If I am wrong on this point I'm sure
I will be corrected by a more knowledgeable
person than myself.
snake-eyes :hmm:
 
I kin see that John H. has had hiz durty paws on it though! :hmm: :rotf:

Davy
 
HI Davy missed you last week! Hope you can maybe make the October shoot though.

Yeah ol' John L. has had his prints all over it, thankfully though, since all the sights and things have worked out just right.

rabbit03
 
Hey FW thanks for the Balsa wood trick I will look into that for sure. I am having quite a time with this rifle, good times, and looking forward to gettin er' done soon just for you Fred! :):)

Hope your having more good days than bad ones and I will be posting more photos more often now that it is coming down to the wire. Thanks FW,

rabbit03
 
Hi Snake-Eyes, how goes it up north? I am not sure just yet about the finish on the stock. My good friend John L. Hinnant wants to see me put a commercial finish on it and I must say they look great on his rifles. I am a kind of do it your selfer at times and had invested in some nitirc acid in order to stain a few the Aqua fortis way. So I am not sure just yet but I know whatever I do it will serve the rifle well.

As for the bedding and maybe being against the NMLRA, I can not say. Not being too familiar with all the rules, not having ever heard of this one is no surprise to me either. I am bedding it for several reasons. Accuracy being foremost, then the stability of the whole rifle making it like one peice of iron and metal that kind of grew together, then it is also because I have not perfected the inletting yet and want to have no gaps between the wood and metal. I know I may not be able to use it say at Friendship or other places but at the Brady shoot there has never beena problem so far. I appreciate the info and will look into it, thanks

rabbit03
 
Hey Davy, did you see that little vent hole in the side???? Works like a charm, just as ol John L. next time,

rabbit03
 
Do ya think the barrel change up or breech problem might of caused the hammer problem? As far as bedding Ive gonr thru my rule book so i must of missed it (mine is 98 1st printing and the only thing about bedding I can find is in the (to me ) hardst class to meet specs the N=SSA Musket and that has 7070 "Composition bedding is permitted." Soooooo I havent got a clue till John H gets back on or one of the guys that keeps us straight, you wasnt planning on Friendship shoots anyway was you, the tough ones are right down here! ( I can really here the yelling from here now :rotf: ) Fred :hatsoff:
 
Good Saturday Afternoon All,

It is rather hard to believe that just last Saturday at this time of the day, Toney, Don Mills, and I were at Brady, Texas punching many holes in tne air with some actually hitting the target.

I have never heard of any NMLRA rule disallowing the use of synthetic bedding compounds on rifles or pistols.

Of course, the Primitive Range boys might have that rule for their rifles. But then again, if those folks had their way, the whole Walter Cline Range at Friendship would be turned into a Rendervous Camp, and a large number of the historical and current matches cancelled out.

Best regards and good shooting,

John L. Hinnant

If you are not an NRA Member, why not? I am carrying your load.
 
HI Fred. You know your absolutely right about the tough ones being here. When an 81 year old competitor beats you then you know it is a tough crowd! And ol' Bob (81yrs) is no slouch as I explained to him, " Bob you know that says alot about you when I am trying to outshoot you". I think that I had paid him a compliment when I told him that. You know it is funny that when competing with everyone there in Brady, age never never plays a big part with me or any one probably. I wanted to whop ol' 81 year old Bob just as much as anyone there. And it is only now reflecting about the age thing that I can take the time to see how funny it is that a 49 year old is trying hard to not just beat but try to catch up to an 81 yr old. LOLOL

A funny story for yall but I will have to post it down below on the general section if you want hear it.

rabbit03
 
rabbit03 said:
HI Fred. You know your absolutely right about the tough ones being here. When an 81 year old competitor beats you then you know it is a tough crowd! And ol' Bob (81yrs) is no slouch as I explained to him, " Bob you know that says alot about you when I am trying to outshoot you". I think that I had paid him a compliment when I told him that. You know it is funny that when competing with everyone there in Brady, age never never plays a big part with me or any one probably. I wanted to whop ol' 81 year old Bob just as much as anyone there. And it is only now reflecting about the age thing that I can take the time to see how funny it is that a 49 year old is trying hard to not just beat but try to catch up to an 81 yr old. LOLOL

A funny story for yall but I will have to post it down below on the general section if you want hear it.

rabbit03

Chastized he said! :cursing: Them boys (including John Hinnant) are serious out there in Brady about that shootin business. Ya better "bring it" when you show up out there to compete with them folks! Age aint got a thing to do with it Ima thinkin! :hatsoff:

Davy
 

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