hawken 58 update

I know of the Parkman and often wondered about the Tobin rifle length. Thought maybe he was a REAL short fella. :grin:
Do you recall which issue the Tobin article was in? I would like to read it.
On close scrutiny the Parkman and Tobin do not look like they have extreme barrel lengths(in comparison to the common barrel lengths found on Hawkens in general). The architectural reason for this is that when one measures the barrel lengths and the forearm lengths one comes up with a 42% ratio as the average length of forearm. In other words, a Hawken with a 42" barrel on it should have a forearm of about 17.6" from the snail to the end of the nosecap.
I never even thought of this until I asked Don Stith about the measurements of the Parkman rifle. After he pointed this out to me I have tried this formula on Hawkens and found his statement to be true. Just a little Hawken lore for the Hawken students that has helped me on Hawken layout for my Hawken building endeavors. :thumbsup:
BTW John, it's good to see ya posting. I haven't seen any notes from you in awhile. I hope all is well with you and yours,
Don

 

[JOHN L. HINNANT]

Good Morning Cooner54,

The Tom Tobin article can be found in the June, 1991 issue of MUZZLE BLAST. pages 27-30.

Yes, I too think Tom Tobin was a rather short man.The photos show that the muzzle of the rifle is even with his shoulders or slightly above, when the the butt is resting on the ground.

Have you read the four part series, Hawken How-to, by Fred Stutzenberger in MUZZLE BLAST August. September, October, and November, 2005.

Mr. Stutzenberger too, references information about the Hawken forearm/barrel length proportions and ratios. Good stuff all the way around.

A lot of very good pratical How-to information; much of which not found in print previously. Another good reason to be an NMLRA member.

Since my earliest teenage years, I have collected and filed this kind of information. Today, I have moved these files into plastic sheet protectors and organized them by subject into 4 inch 3-ring note book binders. Even got some good stuff off of the Forum.

Toney and Davy have had opportunities to browse through some of this material and have found food for though.

Every thing has been going well here Cooner, just have been busy and have not seen any thing I particularly wanted to post to on the Forum.

Sharon has completed her Chemo and Radiation treatments, and that is looking good right now.

Suddenly found myself with three building projects going on at one. Picked up a factory-second Pecatonica pre-carved Hawken half-stock at the TMLRA Championships in June. Gave $25.00 for it. It has a fair amount of figure and looks like it will work out OK.

The basis will be my old H. E. Resley 50 caliber 1" x 36" barrel with 1-48" deep grove rifling. That barrel is currently in my 1980 Santa Fe Hawken stock and parts.

Other parts have benn acquired over past years, one or two at a time. usually at a good bargain, particularly when compared to todays prices.

This is only my second Pecatonica Hawken Stock to work with. I can honestly say many, many good things about Pecotonica, but I think that the overall architectual of their Hawken stock could be much better.

And then Dunlap's shipped and I receved Friday the Walnut blank for my Modena Hawken Rifle project, and of course there is my two-thirds finished Melchoir Fordney flintlock, with Bill Large 40 caliber barrel project.

And then there is a very, very special project in the planning stages.

Just hope I live long enough to finish all of this and shoot them.

Yea, verily, I say to you; my cup surely runneth over.

HELP! HELP! SOMEBODY SAVE ME. I AM DROWNING IN ALL OF THIS!.

I best use this time to work on these projects instead of yakking on the Forum.

Best regards and good shooting,

John L. Hinnant

If you are not an NRA or NMLRA Member, why not? I am carrying you load.

 

Thanks John, I'll look this article up. I've got stacks of old Muzzle Blast mags and the date of the issue will be a time saver.
Thanks,
Don

 

[davy]

John iffin your runnin outta room for thim projects just clear out some of that "poor bull" debris in your gun safes and send it my way ... it will be a test .. but I will sacrifice for you! I have a couple in mind! :winking:

Afterall what are friends for! :hmm: :hatsoff: :rotf:

Davy

 

[faw3]

To rabbit , dad wants to know if youll come blow a hole im the wall so he can leave? To Cooner, John H, Davy and fw707... dad said count the views? "Just say the word "Hawken" and we will flock." Dad cant wait to get out and see who started Hawken 4 and in what spot so it wont be getting locked out.( ? ) blaine

 

[rabbit03]

Hello FW (Blaine) how are yall making out lately, I have been pretty busy and not keeping up as I should on here!

Here are a few more pics as promised. I am leaving the metal in the white for now and will most likely get to it after this hunting season. I had a friend of mine make me the sling, case, and he already had a shooting bag on hand so I asked him to sell it to me which he did. I am very pleased at the way the color of the wood came out with the water base stain. I would like to try the alchohol stain next time though. There is much work still to do on the Hawken Big 58. I still have some final sanding of some of the metal and a tad bit of wood removal on top of the forearm along the barrel. The sheen is from the several coats of Tung Oil that I have applied to the stock, thanks John L. All I am lacking is a powder horn, anyone want to recomend one for me or better yet why not just send me a complimentary one :rotf: :rotf:

I hope yall enjoy the photos as much as I like sharing them with you. This is what the Forum is all about, sharing ideas and I certainly appreciate all the help I have had on this project from the folks here as well as my friend John L. Hinnant.

The next project is going to be another (kit) rifle and will be the same rifle as here but with a shorter tapered barrel but in 58 cal. also. The 58 seems to buck the wind a bit better than some of the lighter calibers giving me an edge I think in the competitions and in a hunting scenario.

Well this is what I am going to head to NY with for bear hunting in a few weeks. I know the rifle is capable of taking a bear so let's see if I am too.

rabbit03

 

[davy]

Nice .. verrry nice Toney! :grin: Since you are soon startin a new smokepole you won't be needin this one anymore ... jest send it on along to Fort Worth and I will take care of it for you! :hmm: :thumbsup:

Davy

 

[JOHN L. HINNANT]

Good Morning Cooner54,

Did you ever find the MUZZLE BLAST article about Tom Tobin, and if so what did you think of it?

Best regards and good shooting,

John L. Hinnant

 

[JOHN L. HINNANT]

Good Morning All,

Here it is Sunday Morning, September 18, 2006 about 12:00 in San Antonio, Texas.

Well...... Davy, if I were you I would not be looking for Toney to discard "Big 58" any time soon (like probably never).

Toney has just left the NMLRA National Matches at Friendship. Indianna. He has been there for a week and is convinced that he has died and went straight to Heaven immediately. This is his first time at the Nationals and he is like a kid in a candy shop for the first time.

He has been there all week long, shooting like there is no tommorrow. He has called me at once every day to give a full report on the daily activities. We have had some great conversations.

He has finished the X-Stiks aggregate in 6th or 7th place and qualified for the prestigious Crosley Match. That was shot this morning, and Toney said his second shot took him out of the running. This event is a fifty yard bench rest match on the 6-bull target.

Toney took "Big 58" up against the big bench guns and is convinced that with some refining in eguipment, sights and loading procedures, he can win that event. He shot against all bench guns and from a prone position. He did not have a bench

"Big 58" was the ONLY Hawken style rifle in the Crosley Match. All others were heavy bench guns.

Not bad for a "first timer" and a non-bench gun....eh?

Toney has definately upheld the honor of all True Texans. "Remember the Alamo".

I am sure he will have photos and details to share with us on his return. Right now, he is on the road to New York State to visit his Mother and take in a bear hunt in the Adirondaks with "Big 58".

Best regards and good shooting,

John L. Hinnant

If you are not an NRA or NMLRA Member, why not? I an carrying your load.

 

[davy]

W'all ... Tony isa mitey willin boy! A Texian at that! :hatsoff:

Davy

 

[rabbit03]

Thanks for all the kind words John and Davey.

Ijust wanted to touch base on the Friendship Indiana adventure and it was an adventure too! I had the time of my life considering Friendship was a place that seemed so far away for so long and I finally had the opportunity to go.

I shot the big 58 all week long and never had any problems at all inspite of shooting in the rain for several days. In fact I have to admit some of the best groups were made in the rain.

I qualified for the Crosley match and that in and of itself was something for a first timer to Friendship. I have been around the competitions for a long time and was bound and determined not to let the Friendship thing be overwhelming. Only on one shot did I choke and that cost me a perfect 50 on the Crosley qualifier. Had it not have been for that I would have gotten a 50 patch along with the qualifier patch.

What I wanted to relay though was that on Sunday morning when we were about to start practicing for the Crosley Match itself I looked down the line and noticed that my Hawken was the only rifle there. The others were those big bench guns. I should have gotten a photo of what I saw, it would have made quite the photo, my rifle sitteing along side of all those bench guns as they faded out of site in the morning mist.

Traders row was great, Met Barbie Chambers and her dad and Tip Curtis was there along with Dixie just to name a few. Tim from R E Davis was there and he fixed me up with a new part for my Hawken I needed, all great folks and all ready to help and lend a hand.

But mostly I had a great time and met some of the best folks there are. I met Dick Miller, who was building a fine rifle while the shoot was taking place. I saw some of the finest rifles made in the Builders Hall. And once I had trouble with my rear sight on the Big 58 and went to see the gunsmiths. A fellow named Odor worked on the sight. He took a blank rear sight and fashioned a perfectly shaped Hawken rear sight for me and installed it on my rifle. I took it to the line and it was dead on! Those guys know what they are doing.

Well again I enjoy relating to yall my stories and hope you enjoy it as much as I did in going.

rabbit03

 

[faw3]

NEXT TIME TAKE THE PIC !!! Happy you had fun , did ya drive or fly????????? Fred :hatsoff: wish I could go

 

[rabbit03]

Hey Fred yah you would have been proud of the photo for sure.

Drove up but took forever it seems. How you been feeling lately?? PT me.

rabbit03

 

[faw3]

HECK OF A DRIVE :shocked2: Well next year, Davy and me seem to be be mising out on it all but when the body goess South and ya want to go North whatcha going to do...will pt. Fred :hatsoff: