Help me fix this screw-up

[Eterry]

I have a dbl bbl 20 gauge, bought used. It has a rough bore at the chamber end, makes it hard to load.

I tried steel wool on a dow rod, but wasn't getting results i wanted.

I sawed the end and put some garnet paper in the notch, then wound it up and it fit the bore.

I was using a drill when i suffered Temporary Insanity and reversed the drill....
Yep, the rod broke about 12 inches inside the muzzle.

Is there another way to get it out, or should i try to pull the plugs? I REALLY DON'T want to pull the plugs.
The gun is from Spain, here's pics of the breach.

 

[FishDFly]

Get a grease zirt (fitting) same size as your nipple and pump it out with a grease gun.

 

[Larry (Omaha)]

I have a dbl bbl 20 gauge, bought used. It has a rough bore at the chamber end, makes it hard to load.


Is there another way to get it out, or should i try to pull the plugs? I REALLY DON'T want to pull the plugs.
The gun is from Spain, here's pics of the breach.

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This is what I would do for a starter: Spray the inside with WD40 and then press a pointed rubber tipped air nozzle against the nipple. Really any nozzle that will make a decent seal, and then use a generous supply of air. The CO2 muzzleloading bullet removers would also be a good choice to try. Good luck!
Flintlocklar

 

[EC121]

As long as the paper isn't hung in the barrel, a big air blast might get it out. Depends on how tightly the paper is sealed in the bore. I shot a rod out one time(on purpose ) , but it had a jag and patch on it that got stuck at the breech. Never found the rod.

 

[bang]

What is diameter of dowel rod? Is it small enough you could drill a hole in a bigger one and slip it over the smaller one with bit of epoxy? The dowel broke but most likely did not put so much pressure on the paper that it wont pull out. For that matter have you tried a wire hook?

 

[Eterry]

Im gonna try the wire hook 1st, then some air... see what happens...

Thanks guys.

 

[Col. Batguano]

I own a sXs percussion gun and I can't figure out how to pull plugs without taking the barrels apart and separating them, so I've never done it myself. The guys are right. either you have to figure out how to grab the broken rod and pull it out, dissolve or disintegrate the rod, or get pressure behind it to push it out. Let's look at some options for each;
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1.) create a funnel sort of jig and drill a small hole in the end of it once you face it off to be perpendicular to the bore. A fairly long square-faced bit like a milling bit is what's needed here, as well as a funnel like a brass cartridge case cut off at the shoulder and brazed together to look something like an hourglass is what's needed here. Once the end is squared, then you can use a longer thin bit to drill a pilot hole i the end, and use a regular old ball pulling tip to screw in to it.
2.) bet a bigger milling bit and a guide and just bore all the way through it. Or maybe some chemicals like stump disintegrator (which is KNO3 saltpeter) would dissolve it. They might rust out your barrel too though, so do your research.
3.) get pressure behind it. I would be careful about shooting it out, because withthe distance it is down bore, you might risk ringing your barrel. Another option is one of those CO2 dispensers IF you van get a nice tight fit where the nipple is. If you wantto up the pressure from there, you could adapt a scuba tank fill whip to it and generate what ever pressure the compressor can generate. Mine generates up to 5000 psi. and can deliver plenty enough air for that task. The other option discussed was hydraulic pressure. Grease. If you have a good seal that will work. If not, then you may just have all that stuff ooze past the stuck stuff and you will REALLY have a mess on your hands.

That's about all that I can think of. Good luck!

 

[Metalshaper]

piece of metal tubing that will just fit down the bore.. with some teeth filed into the end? slide it in and drill it to the breech and come in OVER the rod and paper..
works to remove a stuck brush.. might work here as well

Respect Always
Metalshaper/Jonathan

 

[Zonie]

Eterry:
I'm picturing a wooden dowel that is slightly smaller than the bore that is broken off down in there. You have the broken piece somewhere.

Take it to a hardware store and try to find a piece of thin wall brass tubing that just barely fits over the broken wooden rod but is smaller than the bore. Also, buy some 2 part, slow curing epoxy. Do not get the fast curing epoxy because you are going to want some time to get things lined up and assembled.
( A 5/8" OD tube is .625" in diameter will be too large to fit the .615", 20 guage bore.)

If you can find such a tube, wash it inside and out with denatured alcohol, disk brake cleaner or gasoline to remove the oils that will be on the surface. Then, mix up a very small amount of the epoxy and, using a toothpick or a Q-Tip carefully coat the inside of one end of the tubing.
The epoxy doesn't have to be out at the end of the tube but the covered area should begin about 1/4" inside the end and extend at least 1 inch deep if not deeper. You also don't want this coating to be very thick. If you get too much inside the tube, it might run out of the tube and start bonding the stuck rod or the sandpaper to the bore.

Slip it down the bore and get it worked over the broken end of the rod. Move it down far enough so that at least 1 inch of the broken end is inside the tube.
Now, sit back and let the epoxy cure. (When I'm epoxying something that is hidden or inaccessible, I usually check the remaining epoxy on the sheet of paper I mixed it on to see if it has hardened.)

Once the epoxy has set up good and hard, use some pliers to turn the tube in the same direction that it was turning before the disaster took place to free it up. Once it is free, just pull the tube and dowel out of the barrel.

 

[Brokennock]

Zombies idea is a good one, if complicated (engineers).
I would go with the grease gun option.
I put a stuck brass jag through a wall with an air compressor. The grease works slowly but steadily.

 

[billraby]

If all else fails, some gasoline and a match will do it.

 

[Eterry]

I don't think the grease will work because it isn't a tight seal inside the barrel. Also where do u get a grease zerk same threads as a cva nipple.

I've shot a stuck RR out once, with about 3 grs fffg. It went 50 yards. But that was a 54 rifle, might the shotgun bbl ring... or worse?

Zombie's idea is, as usual, detailed and probably would work. Im looking for my slide rule to make calculations... lol.

Lighter Fluid and a match...mmmmm... got marshmallows?

"F" it, I'm going crappie fishing... it'll keep. Now i have a 20 ga single shot... lol.

 

[Brokennock]

Zombie's idea is, as usual, detailed and probably would work. Im looking for my slide rule to make calculations...

"F" it, I'm going crappie fishing

Laughing my @zz off!

 

[FishDFly]

""F" it, I'm going crappie fishing... it'll keep. Now i have a 20 ga single shot... lol."

All the ideas are workable, but now you mentioned fishing which is important and comes first.

Send Zonie a note and tell him you think his idea has promise, but you are not sure he is correct.
To prove your conviction on you being correct and him maybe not being correct you are willingly to send your shot gun to him to prove who is correct. All you have to do is decide how much to wager with him while your are fishing.

Seems simple to me, he is working, you are fishing and out a couple of bucks and then you have a double barrel again.

 

[Badgerfarm]

You might be able to use a tool that you install main seals on an engine block with. They are a metal woven mesh that slips over the end of the seal and the harder that you pull the tighter the grip gets. It's kinda like those toys that you slip over your index fingers and try to pull them apart....I can't remember what they are called but it seems like is was something like Chinese finger cuffs or something to that effect. Maybe somebody on the forum knows what they are but they do grip really well. One end could be attached to another dowel and then slipped over the broken end of the dowel. Otherwise you could sell it to me and I'll take really good care of it. LOL

 

[Baxter]

I vote for Zonie's idea. The broken dowel end in the barrel will be a tapered thing and the "sleeve" with epoxy seems a good idea. Were this my set of barrels, that's what I would try, a non-destructive first-attempt.

 

[SDSmlf]

Not a fan of putting expoxy into a blind hole. Couple of questions.

• Are the barrels choked? Could see this adding to challenge if you got epoxy full bore.
• In your second photo, are those Allen headed plugs? Looks like they were inserted and staked. If an Allen head plug, I would find a properly fitting hex bit, chuck it up in a drill/screw driver, and progressively increase the torque - most pound away like an impact driver (an even better option if you have one).
• If the plug don’t move, it’s possible they are held with a thread sealant. Sealant would require 4-500F typically to release.

This really a new version of the old ‘wire brush stuck in bore delima’. Good luck in whatever you decide.

 

[Zonie]

Zombies idea is a good one, if complicated (engineers).
I would go with the grease gun option.
I put a stuck brass jag through a wall with an air compressor. The grease works slowly but steadily.

Umm. The name is Zonie. Not Zombie

Zonie is the name given to Arizonians who visit Southern California by the people in LA and San Diego. They use it as a derisive term. I wear it as a statement of pride.

 

[billraby]

A little bit of fire inside the barrel will burn that sandpaper enough so that it just falls out.

 

[Gene L]

Heck, I'd pull the nipples, drizzle in some powder, and shoot it out. Or at least give it a try. I remember long ago, someone had a bore brush stuck and was able to shoot it out. You won't need much powder.