Here She is

[Mike Brooks]

ff ....but If anybody wants to see some really crazy curly maple they should go over there just to see the Warren Fitzgerald atributed original Virginia rifle.

Wood like that don't grow on trees :shocked2: WOW!!!

What would a blank like that cost today? I am certainly not worthy.

Enjoy, J.D.

It says the gun stock is tiger striped Oak. :shocked2:

It may say oak, but my money is on ash. :thumbsup:

 

[jdkerstetter]

That's right. If you don't want to learn anything you don't have to. :haha:

Well, know what they say, "ignorance is bliss".....

Ash? Seems more likely. Curly Oak exist but I would think if Oak made good stock wood we would see it more. Nice gun either way....but I like those early styled guns.

Never heard of Warren Fitzgerald before....and google didn't turn up much. An obit from 2010 that doesn't mention gun building and his name on the CLA site's artist list based on add from Muzzleblasts in 1985? You, Mike?

Enjoy, J.D.

 

[KHickam]

Hanshi - Nice gun

I suppose the question Hanshi or others need to ask themselves - is if Hanshi dropped into Martins Station or Boonesborough ca 1780 - would the rifle he is carrying look so out of place/weird/different to garner any type of notice? If it would not than why do you guys have such a problem with Hanshi saying it is HC/PC? I don't have mountains of references but the stock profile looks correct - perhaps robust but the lines/shape seem similar to pics of originals I have seen. Just wondering

 

[Mike Brooks]

That's right. If you don't want to learn anything you don't have to. :haha:

Well, know what they say, "ignorance is bliss".....

Ash? Seems more likely. Curly Oak exist but I would think if Oak made good stock wood we would see it more. Nice gun either way....but I like those early styled guns.

Never heard of Warren Fitzgerald before....and google didn't turn up much. An obit from 2010 that doesn't mention gun building and his name on the CLA site's artist list based on add from Muzzleblasts in 1985? You, Mike?

Enjoy, J.D.

Nope, never heard of him.

 

[dave_person]

Hi TG,
What Capt. Jas meant was that Chamber's English Rifle might be based on a contemporary interpretation of such a rifle, such as one made by Bob Harn. Harn likely adopted some features generic to English flintlock rifles of the mid to late 18th century. The gun does not look like any William or Edward Turvey rifle I have ever seen, which is not many. Nonetheless, neither gunsmith made many rifles. That is not an indictment of the Chambers gun because it demonstrates some of the very best features of mid-18th century English rifles.

dave

 

[Robby]

REPlo,
Really(?!?), I cannot believe that you have been blocked by so many people! That is the finest documentable pre-revolution"Early Virginia" gun I have ever seen. No question about the date and maker, just beautiful!!!! The only one I have seen that even comes close is a TVM early Lancaster. Thanks for showing it.
Robby

 

[gizamo]

Hanshi,

Still waiting on the full range report... :blah:

If she fits you like a glove, bet your just sittin there with a big grin....while working up your loads. Does not get anymore fun then that! No matter who built the gun.

I have posted pics of guns by some of the forgotten builders of years gone by, and some of the best custom makers of a decade or so back.

No secret that I have owned TVM, Caywood's, etc. Sold them all. Mostly have customs that friends built, these days.

But my favorite gun is a Miroku Dixie Gun Works .32 Tennesee and has been for some time... I would rather shoot that gun, then any other cuz it is the one that leaves me smilin' the most.. :grin:

Enjoy your new gun

Giz

 

[Capt. Jas.]

Hi TG,
What Capt. Jas meant was that Chamber's English Rifle might be based on a contemporary interpretation of such a rifle, such as one made by Bob Harn. Harn likely adopted some features generic to English flintlock rifles of the mid to late 18th century. The gun does not look like any William or Edward Turvey rifle I have ever seen, which is not many. Nonetheless, neither gunsmith made many rifles. That is not an indictment of the Chambers gun because it demonstrates some of the very best features of mid-18th century English rifles.

dave

Yes that's correct Dave.
This in no way knocks the kit which I think is a super 1760 or so English sporting rifle that has no competition.
If one looks in RCA they will find the rifle by Turvey that the Chambers kit is inspired from but not built on. A quick look and one will see that there is very little other than size to compare. There is probably at least 20 or more years difference in my opinion between the original and the kit. It is my understanding that Bob Harn designed the thumbpiece and sideplate based on original guns and also made either the proto or an early fancy one. Jim has it on his website as a color example of the kit.
Although I consider the sideplate to be contemporary with the balance of hardware with the kit, I have always thought the wrist escutcheon to be circa 1700. How about you Dave?

 

[hanshi]

Reminds me of another builder's rifles and how he builds.

 

[Capt. Jas.]

Actually the Chambers rifle is very authentic in its own right using correct architecture, good and correct parts, etc. It's just not a copy of that particular Turvey.

 

[Number19]

...That is the finest documentable pre-revolution"Early Virginia" gun I have ever seen. No question about the date and maker, just beautiful!!!!

Exactly which gun are you referring to? This period and architecture is of particular interest to me.

 

[jdkerstetter]

Me too! Which early VA gun? J.D.

 

[jdkerstetter]

Yup, allwos him to make statements like "the majority agree with me" and be somewhat correct as those that don't agree are in the box and he can't see them anyway.

Is this "box" the same one I keep seeing members referring to as the "lead box"?

This is just too wierd....just tuning people out that don't hold the same point of view as you? J.D.

 

[ApprenticeBuilder]

Yup, allwos him to make statements like "the majority agree with me" and be somewhat correct as those that don't agree are in the box and he can't see them anyway.

Is this "box" the same one I keep seeing members referring to as the "lead box"?

This is just too wierd....just tuning people out that don't hold the same point of view as you? J.D.

Yessir, the very same one.

I just hope I never get so old that I feel that I cannot learn from somebody, weather they annoy me or not.

 

[jdkerstetter]

Thanks for the information.

Don't worry, I think it has more to do with anatomy then age.

Enjoy, J.D.

 

[TGJaeger]

Hi TG,
What Capt. Jas meant was that Chamber's English Rifle might be based on a contemporary interpretation of such a rifle, such as one made by Bob Harn. Harn likely adopted some features generic to English flintlock rifles of the mid to late 18th century. The gun does not look like any William or Edward Turvey rifle I have ever seen, which is not many. Nonetheless, neither gunsmith made many rifles. That is not an indictment of the Chambers gun because it demonstrates some of the very best features of mid-18th century English rifles.

dave

Yes that's correct Dave.
This in no way knocks the kit which I think is a super 1760 or so English sporting rifle that has no competition.
If one looks in RCA they will find the rifle by Turvey that the Chambers kit is inspired from but not built on. A quick look and one will see that there is very little other than size to compare. There is probably at least 20 or more years difference in my opinion between the original and the kit. It is my understanding that Bob Harn designed the thumbpiece and sideplate based on original guns and also made either the proto or an early fancy one. Jim has it on his website as a color example of the kit.
Although I consider the sideplate to be contemporary with the balance of hardware with the kit, I have always thought the wrist escutcheon to be circa 1700. How about you Dave?

Gentlemen,
I Thank You for your considerate responses. :hatsoff:

 

[illuveatar]

Just reading all of that was exhausting, but also enlightening. I had something I was going to say but it took so long to get to the end of this thread that I've quite forgotten it.

Oh, Hanshi, I don't know if you're still paying attention to this thread or not (does anyone want it to keep going?) you mentioned that you provided the specs that you wanted for the rifle.

Did you happen to suggest a wrist thickness ?

 

So, out of curiosity what is it that everyone likes about this gun. Most replys are one word compliments. I'm wonder what folks like about this gun specifically?

Ah, the opening salvo from the builder. No, it's not one of yours, but people like it anyway. Imagine that. Can't just let the guy enjoy his gun?

 

[ApprenticeBuilder]

Are you bored Jack ?

This dog was finaly starting to drift off to sleep

 

[Claude Mathis]

Unfortunately the edit function is disabled when the next comment is posted, ...

No it's not. You have 15 minutes to edit your post, whether someone else has posted or not.