Here She is

[rabjr]

I have a question for Mike Brooks, Swampy, J.D. and anyone else who has expressed negative opinions about TVM. I've been on this board for only a little over a year, and in that short time I've seen most of the "semi-custom" production companies I know of subjected to this same treatment. Narragansett Arms, Jackie Brown, Caywood Gunbuilders, both TVMs, Jack Garner... and it seems there were others... have all been trashed at one time or another.

Is there even one company of this type which builds guns acceptable to you? Has there ever been? Can there ever be?

Spence

Not sure why my name was included here as I've never bashed them, just not what I'm looking for in a custom gun.

 

[George]

I seem to have worded my question poorly, but I don't know how to word it any more directly. I was looking for information, only, and tried to keep it neutral.

I was hoping for input from those who, in this or previous threads, have given me the impression they are not fans of companies of the type I mentioned. There are a lot of such people on this board, but If anyone doesn't consider himself as part of that group, I apologize for including you.

I would really like to know:

"Is there even one company of this type which builds guns acceptable to you? Has there ever been? Can there ever be?"

Spence

 

[Mike Brooks]

I would really like to know:

"Is there even one company of this type which builds guns acceptable to you? Has there ever been? Can there ever be?"

Spence

I believe this to be an unfair question for me as I can build my own stuff and don't require others to do it for me. My standards are higher than what the current companies of this caliber of work are capable of producing.
I can draw a parallel with BPCR's. I I buy shiloh's or custom made guns instead of Italian repros. Authenticity trumps price for me again.

 

[cmuchalek]

Well here is my 2 cents and note the limited number of my posts. TVM does not spray black paint on their guns to make them aged. They make an affordable, usable flintlock which enables people to get into the hobby without breaking themselves. Not all of us have deep pockets and if I did, I certainly would not pay a builder to spray it with black paint to achieve a so called aged look. Yep black paint, now how PC is that?
Now I will go back to reading. Be awhile before posting again since I have no experience in the matters of flintlocks.
I did however hold a MB's smoothbore at Friendship one year that Chambers was selling. Definitely was not impressed by the black paint. Nice carving, great metal to wood fit, perfect looking lock panels, Getz barrel, nicely balanced and made by the well known builder. Wanted a PC flinter almost bought it but you know just not HC/PC.

Anyway Stay Healthy and Shoot Often. Shooting feels soooo much better with a HC/PC Flinter don't you know. Now thinking about it, I do get the same feeling shooting my TVM's as my customs. Could there be something not right with my customs? Hmmmm. Hi Matt and Toni. It's been awhile.

Vaya Con Dios boys and girls.

 

[jdkerstetter]

Is there even one company of this type which builds guns acceptable to you? Longrifles? Not that I am aware of. There have been some decent trade/military type fowler/muskets turned out by "companys" but they are producing in limited numbers guns that were mass produced 200 or so years ago.

Has there ever been? In the 18th century they weren't called company's, they were called shops.

Can there ever be? Sure, why not. But would it be cost effective? TVM could probably do it but why should they? They would no longer be competing in the market they are now in and doing very well, from what I have learned here. They would have to charge more to pay labor cost....time=$$$.

I hope that answered your questions. I did my best.

It's basically what Mike said, except I like Model 70's and Browning Hi Powers. I always thought it was ironic that one of best gun builders of our time, David Dodds, (may he rest in piece) whom I had the great honor of knowing briefly, collected Savage 99's....who'd of thought it?

Enjoy, J.D.

 

[Mike Brooks]

Well here is my 2 cents and note the limited number of my posts. TVM does not spray black paint on their guns to make them aged. They make an affordable, usable flintlock which enables people to get into the hobby without breaking themselves. Not all of us have deep pockets and if I did, I certainly would not pay a builder to spray it with black paint to achieve a so called aged look. Yep black paint, now how PC is that?
Now I will go back to reading. Be awhile before posting again since I have no experience in the matters of flintlocks.
I did however hold a MB's smoothbore at Friendship one year that Chambers was selling. Definitely was not impressed by the black paint. Nice carving, great metal to wood fit, perfect looking lock panels, Getz barrel, nicely balanced and made by the well known builder. Wanted a PC flinter almost bought it but you know just not HC/PC.

Anyway Stay Healthy and Shoot Often. Shooting feels soooo much better with a HC/PC Flinter don't you know. Now thinking about it, I do get the same feeling shooting my TVM's as my customs. Could there be something not right with my customs? Hmmmm. Hi Matt and Toni. It's been awhile.

Vaya Con Dios boys and girls.

Ahhhrrrggg.I've been pierced through the heart.... :haha:
That gun sold rather quickly for the asking price if I recall.
:grin:
That was a cherry stocked gun if memory serves That Jim Chambers gave me to save it's soul as the ram rod hole came out the bottom of the stock.....I guarantee you even with your great powers of observation you didn't see the repair. :blah:

 

[TGJaeger]

Hanshi,
She is a beaut! I better like her as I believe I own her fraternal twin! Only difference - mine is a .54. I like the EL's architecture - especially the angular, rearward slope to the cheekpiece and the nice wide (i.e. recoil friendly) butt. I got mine specifically to hunt pronghorn and mule deer in Wyoming. The Hawken is too darn heavy, the Turvey doesn't lend itself to longer shots (and it cost too much to drag over rock and cactus). Like Goldilock's porridge the Lancaster was just right.

Now go shoot her and take some pictures! :thumbsup:

 

[Mike Brooks]

What's a Turvey?

 

[TGJaeger]

What's a Turvey?

http://www.flintlocks.com/rifles05.htm

Shorthand for English Gentlemans Sporting Rifle. :grin:

 

[Capt. Jas.]

Maybe more like a Chambers that is based on a Harn that is loosely based on a Turvey??

 

[Number19]

if someone posted a picture of a Jud Brennen rifle i doubt 80% of the forum"experts" would know the difference in it and an avance rifle :idunno:

If you can, please scan such a photo; or reference where such an image. I did just a real quick look in some indexes and didn't see the name. I'll keep looking after posting this request.

To answer Capt. Jas, I, for one, joined this forum. And second, I've bought several hundred dollars worth of reference books and materials. I can usually kill a discussion real quick when I reference an actual historical piece to support my question or analysis. I'll grant that years of hands on experience is far superior, but most of us probably don't have this opportunity. And I'll also grant that my eye is not practiced at seeing "things". I assimilate my understanding of the subject where ever I can.

(edit) I just found Jud Brennan. He's a contemporary artist and I saw where one of his rifles is being offered for $18,500.

 

[Number19]

if someone posted a picture of a Jud Brennen rifle i doubt 80% of the forum"experts" would know the difference in it and an avance rifle :idunno:

Most would probably choose the TVM....

And why not. There's a big difference between $2,000 and $18,500. I just found a second one of his rifles for sale at this price.

 

[Mike Brooks]

Jud's rifles often bring 40 to 50 grand. The point is, if you laid a 4 grand Brennan gun side by side with a TVM most would have difficulty choosing the better gun. Sad commentary on the level of study common on this board.
Jud has a nice pistol on the contemporary blog at the moment.

 

[jdkerstetter]

Well, what's your opinion? Could you tell the difference between Jud's guns and a TVM?

Jud is quite a craftsman. Just google "Jud Brennan rifle" and see what comes up. There is no mistaking his work for any semi-custom gun makers. A bad comparison perhaps? J.D.

 

[jdkerstetter]

Mike,

I'm sure you've given these guys the link :wink:
http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to see the pistol...well worth a look.

Enjoy, J.D.

 

[Mike Brooks]

Mike,

I'm sure you've given these guys the link :wink:
http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to see the pistol...well worth a look.

Enjoy, J.D.

:nono: I believe it is VERBOTEN to post links of other sites. :slap: You are a bad, bad man. :wink:

 

[jdkerstetter]

:hmm: Live and learn. Are there fines involved or should I just expect a nasty gram from the moderators? New guy mistake. :idunno:

Thanks Mike. :hatsoff: Strange rule, but I don't write 'em.

I just hope some folks learn something :thumbsup:

Enjoy, J.D.

 

[TGJaeger]

Maybe more like a Chambers that is based on a Harn that is loosely based on a Turvey??

Is there a story or explanation here?

 

[jdkerstetter]

ff ....but If anybody wants to see some really crazy curly maple they should go over there just to see the Warren Fitzgerald atributed original Virginia rifle.

Wood like that don't grow on trees :shocked2: WOW!!!

What would a blank like that cost today? I am certainly not worthy.

Enjoy, J.D.

 

[rabjr]

Mike,

I'm sure you've given these guys the link :wink:
http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to see the pistol...well worth a look.

Enjoy, J.D.

:nono: I believe it is VERBOTEN to post links of other sites. :slap: You are a bad, bad man. :wink:

This site has been posted many times before showing a particular gun or item made by someone. I believe it is ok do so as I've never seen it deleted by Claude or the mod's.