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erzengel

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As I have my replica Deringer rebuild, I am intersted in finding out, what holsters where used originaly for that pistol or how they were carried.

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I have searched the forum and found a number of threads on holsters and manufacturers of holsters but those apllie to revolvers not to Deringers.

Is there a book with pictures which you could recommend, pictures, websites, anything which would give me clues what holsters in history have been used?

Though I will never have the chance to carry the pistol in public, I would like to try my hand on making one or two holsters of differnet kind just for the fun and pride to do it.
 
They were carried in pockets mostly--they were often referred to as "pocket guns". Probably any holster you made for it would be fine.
 
Very few( if any) of these were carried in a holster of any kind. Sometimes, pockets would be lined by sewing in leather, that protected the pocket material, and both hid the outline of the pistol through the lighter fabric of a coat, or vest, and made it easier to pull the gun out. Because of the height of the hammer spur, its difficult to make a holster that will keep that spur from catching on your shirt if worn on a belt.

Later ( 2-barrel) derringers were sometimes carried in a rectangular shaped leather holster, in a front pants pocket. Again, the holster was more for protecting the pants, and hiding the outline of the gun, than in speeding the draw, or aiding the carrying of the pistol. The holsters, as the few that survive, were made to fit the pants pocket, rather than the gun.

The Gun is a bit wide to be carried in an inside the waist belt holster. I suppose it could be carried in a shoulder holster, or a cross draw holster. But, to my best knowledge of gun history, this particular gun was NOT carried in any holster. Shoulder holsters didn't come about until the end of the 19th century, when more and more cities passed ordinances prohibiting the open carry of firearms. By then, these guns were no longer being made, and those that existed had been retired, and replaced with more modern pistols.

The cross draw holster would have been the most likely to have been used by gamblers back in the day,. but I have not found a written account of these particular guns being carried in such a holster.

Worn in front of the stomach, the butt of the pistol is centered to the body, making the draw a bit faster. But, such a holster would almost surely eliminate the main benefit of having such a gun, and that is concealment. Far better to carry it in a leather lined pocket in your suit jacket, and, when needed, just shoot through the coat, under the table, with the gun concealed from all until the shot is fired.

These short barreled guns usually could NOT drive a ball through the body of a human. They left a nasty wound, which, if it didn't kill you outright, from hemorrhaging to death, or shock, killed you by giving you peritonitis, or blood poisoning( as it was often labeled in the day). You died a slow painful death over days or weeks, your screams stopped only by passing out, or by strong use of Opiates, Laudanum, a mix of Opium, and alcohol,and Cocaine(Used in the late 19th century, and on into the early half of the 20th century, to quiet people dying of infections from gunshot wounds). :hmm:
 
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Thank you very very much for sharing your vast experience with muzzle loaders.

Well that makes sense because I could not find trustworthy material to holsters for Deringers from Deringer. The only holsters I saw where indeed for the two barreld cartridge Derringers.

In this case, I regret that you are right for the fun of making a holster but glad to get reliable information in order to avoid doing something which does not exist in history.

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Is that the same with the so called Liegi Derringer?
 
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I have no experience in making holsters.

Do you have a recommendation for a book with a good description of how to do it?
 
Hey All !!!

As far as I’m concerned, it’s a personnel choice !

I made mine (for my .41cal “Hero”) to wear on my belt but I never did.. I should have pre-formed the belt-loop but again, never did..

After a rough cut, I soaked the leather in a light oil and pre-formed it to the gun frame.. Then wrapped it in twine and when it was almost dry, finished trimmed it and stitched it up with a light sanding on the edge’s, a final polish and there you are ! A period looking holster.

I’ll try to post a pic later”¦.

Ed”¦.
 
Don't know if it's worth mentioning, but I've seen a fair number of "holsters" for Derringers and other little guns built right into leather braces (suspenders). I had one custom made for me several years ago for one of those little .31 Remmies. The maker told me he usually makes 'em for Derringers.
 
Here are some links you can try for instructions. Making a holster isn't all that hard. Heck, even my brother can make 'em. :grin:
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Link See post #9

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Give it a try, and good luck! Please post a picture of your results. I am sure there a number of us who would be interested in seeing your handiwork. :hatsoff:
 
Red Wing, now that looks slick!

How do you wear it? Belt looped on your strong-side, cross-draw, inside the waist band, shoulder rig, loose in your pocket, or what? :grin:

I didn't notice a hole for a tie-down thong, so I guess a low-mounted tied down speed rig maybe wasn't in your plans. :rotf:

All kidding aside, you've made me think about making one for my little CVA just for the fun of it.
 
Thanks !!!

Here's a picture of the back-side showing the angle of the belt loop.. I planned on wearing it on the left side of my belt buckel.. I said before that I should have pre-formed the loop but oh-well.. The snug fit needs no tie down...

Ed....

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Red Wing

thank you very much for showing the picture. :thumbsup:

That gives me an idea for making the right sort of holster.

I need two holsters for wearing two pistols of that kind on a belt on the back. :grin:

:hmm: Might take some time to aquire the rigth tools and materials in Germany with the knowledge of how to do.

As I want to get two Liegi Derringers too and they should go into shoulder holsters.
 
Hi Erzengel !!!

Sounds like a pretty neat rig”¦ If you do as good with the rest as you did with the first one it will be great ...
Do you have the complete outfit and belong to a “period” club and do history in motion performance’s for special events ???
What part of Germany do you live in ???
If you see anything you need that is not available there, send me a PM and I’ll see if we can get it for you from here.. For leather goods (and such) Google “Tandy”..

Good Luck !!!

Ed”¦”¦.
 
Hello Red-Wing,

I have neither complete outfit nor I am member in a period club. I am a average skilled target shooter in a number of bp ml competions and a number of competions with modern pistol, revolver and rifle. Most important, as lomg as I hit to my abilities, it is great fun and that counts most.

It is just that it seems I need to have such a rig to complete the pistols. No chance to wear that outfit and step out of the house though I would very much like to do so. :haha:

Would surely make it to the news even in TV and would be very bad for all legal owners of weapons in Germany. :shake: :(

We are having a bad time from politics influenced by anti-gun-lobby. :barf:

I am living on the left side of the rhine some 35 kilometers from the border to the Netherlands. The largest city next to me is Düsseldorf and Duisburg on the other side of the rhine. Larger cities in the Netherland about 35 to 50 kilometers are Venlo and Roermond.

May be there is a shop 30 kilomeetrs form me on the border who migth have what I need. Only bad thing is, it is the opposite direction I drive to work. Yeah, to many dates on the range for competiton in the next weeks on Saturdays. No chance to get to the shop during their working hours. But does not hurt. I will have it in the near future.
 
Hi Erzengel !!!

Received your PM and look forward to helping you if you need it..

I have spent many years traveling throughout Europe and stayed in most of their bigger cities including Dusseldorf with its beautiful Church’s. My great Grandfather came from the Bavarian side which is just as nice.. My handle (Redwing) is my name (translated to English) so you can figure it out..

I too shoot Muzzle-loaders and black powder rifles of which I have built on my own.. I am retired now with plenty of time to enjoy the sport.. It’s a shame the anti-gunners will eventually ruin the sport for the future generations yet to come..

As the Beatle’s song said: “You’ve got to hide your love away” ”¦.

Good Luck & keep in touch !!!

Ed”¦”¦.
 
That is what I got made by an old hand who is
making holsters for almost 40 years now. Now I know what stuff I need and where to get it all in Germany. Next time, I can give it a try by myself.
For compensation, I did the Liegi from a kit.

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The holsters are accompanied by the belt in same colour. The holsters are for cross draw but I would prefer to shift the Liegi's to the back.


Especially the holsters for the Liegi with the pistol itself I like very much. It si all very small yet it is a .450 rb you can shoot with 8 grain Swiss Nr. 2.
 

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