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Colo-54

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Has anyone ever just purchased Canvas (Tarp or bulk)and just set up a lean to or drop it down to a pitch tent in in-climate weather? Or just sewed up a tent to get it done? Reason being is cost of a good tent is pretty high and I was just wondering if this method was even practical.
Thanks in advance for any and all input.... :hatsoff:
 
I made this out of painters drop cloth several years ago. Cost about $24 IIRC.


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I've seen several folks do it.
Trouble is they're not water resistant let alone water proof and by the time folks sock money into the water proofing they're past half-way to the cost of a tent.
Better off buying a good Sunforger awning from one of the makers and setting it up as a leantoo then trying to throw good money at painters tarps.
 
I've done it with several different painters tarps....I like the 10 oz from Home Depot the best....tighter weave...I just spread it out and use tompson water seal on both sides let dry in the sun....I've made simple plow point diamond shelters and open ended wedge tents...along with that....I've also lifted one side of the wedge tent to make a sorta lean-to type shelter for warmer weather...the best, or should I say the easiest size if you can find it is a 10x10 or 12x12... But depending on what you want, 8x8 or 9x9 will work...I just find it easier to have a perfect square...
 
You can do it one of four ways. First, you can use a painters tarp (though you want to wash it in very hot water to shrink up the fibers a bit to add to water resistance). Second, you can use Thompson's water seal and the painter's tarp, and make it resist the water very well. I have done this and it works. Third, you can use the painter's tarp, and apply boiled linseed oil with or without pigment, and have an oilcloth shelter. Fourth and finally, you can get some actual linen canvas from an art supply store, wash it like the tarp, and sew an authentic tent.

The severe angle of the tent walls, plus the taughtness from using tent stakes, providing the weave of the fabric is tight, will shed water well.

However, in all of those options, you are inside a flammable structure, and options 2 and 3 are very flammable. :shocked2: In fact some events are now banning cloth structures that are not made with flame retardant materials, just as they ban flammable liquids like lamp oil...., so you are back to square one in many situations. An authentic linen canvas tent will cost you more than the less authentic flame retardant tent, too.

LD
 
Well here's some questions from another that has thought about this option. When you say it sheds water well, how well and how hard a rain? I always thought if you touched a canvas tent it would leak at the spot touched but what is shown has interior poles which are touching the canvas so it would seem that would cause a leak.
The kind of tent I am used to doesn't have a ridge pole, just poles front and back but you need guide lines to keep the tent from falling over, the wedge doesn't have these- how does it stay up? I've also thought about a miner's or pyramid type tent- maybe make from a painter's tarp, mainly because there is just one pole. How is the top of the pole formed to prevent it from poking through the top of the tent? Thanks to all for any help.
 
You can use a painters tarp washed in hot water & dried hot.Then make it into what ever you want,and spray,paint,how ever you want with CAN-VEX Cabel's sells it in gal.cans works great no smell,lasts for years depending on use if need be just retreat.
Have Fun
Phil
 
crockett said:
... When you say it sheds water well, how well and how hard a rain? I always thought if you touched a canvas tent it would leak at the spot touched but what is shown has interior poles which are touching the canvas so it would seem that would cause a leak.
The kind of tent I am used to doesn't have a ridge pole, just poles front and back but you need guide lines to keep the tent from falling over, the wedge doesn't have these- how does it stay up? I've also thought about a miner's or pyramid type tent- maybe make from a painter's tarp, mainly because there is just one pole. How is the top of the pole formed to prevent it from poking through the top of the tent? ...

To try to answer several of your questions.

Tents made from painters tarps will shed the bulk of the rain water if they are erected with the canvas tight. However, each time a rain drop hits the canvas it tends to drive some of the water through creating a misting effect on the inside.

Waterproofing helps. Several here have mentioned Thompsons but the last can of that I looked at said not for use on fabric as it will break it down. That may have changed recently I don't know.

As a aside, I have journal kept during the Napoleonic War that mentions the first issue of locally produced tents made in Portugal. The comment was to the effect that it was better at keeping the water in the tent than out.

As for touching canvas and creating a leak, my experience is that if the surface tension of the water that soaks through canvas is left alone it will not tend to leak but if you break that surface tension it will start to leak and continue. I was also told a child that touch the canvas leave oil from your skin that aides in the leaking process. Can't say if this is really true give the amount of oil typically on a person's skin.

As for tent poles touching the canvas they don't tend to create leaks because they disturb the interior moisture surface tension unless moved about.

As for how a Wedge Tent stays up without guide lines, they are constructed using a ridge pole connected to the uprights. The sides are then staked down tight on each side which results in effectively a triangle from the top of the rear pole to the front stake to the top of the front pole and back to the top of the rear pole. This is combined with a second triangle formed from the same components but starting at the top of the front pole and proceeding to the back. This is reenforced by the same structure on the opposite side.

As for upright poles on miner's or pyramid tents they typically include a pin of the top that protrudes through a hole or grommet at the apex of the tent. The same is true for some wedges, marquees, walls, and flies. Frequently they are left exposed but in very heavy or constant rain they can result in rain running down the pin through the hole or grommet and down the pole. Historically this was prevented by the placement of a Finial on top of the pole pin which directed the rain away from the hole or grommet through which the pin protrudes. They weren't just for decoration.

Finally, some tents are designed with heavy reinforcement at the location where upright poles end creating a pocket for the pole so it does not require a pin that would protrude through the canvas. However these can be hard to erect since the pole will frequently not want to stay in the pocket during setup. some are also designed so that the ridge protrudes through the ends of the tent and the uprights are placed outside the tent.

Hope this is useful to you.

OH, BTW, I sewed up my own wedge from a painters tarps a few years a go and it worked quite well even without extra waterproofing (except for the misting during rains). It also did not have a ridge pole so guide lines were necessary.
 
You may want to consider just getting bulk canvas material instead of the tarps shown in the link with the brass grommets. Some folks look down on them with great disdain. You can had sew or even machine sew loops onto the canvas where ever you want them instead of where the manufacturer puts the grommets. Loops are also much more versatile than grommets.
 
crockett said:
Well here's some questions from another that has thought about this option. When you say it sheds water well, how well and how hard a rain? I always thought if you touched a canvas tent it would leak at the spot touched but what is shown has interior poles which are touching the canvas so it would seem that would cause a leak.
The kind of tent I am used to doesn't have a ridge pole, just poles front and back but you need guide lines to keep the tent from falling over, the wedge doesn't have these- how does it stay up? I've also thought about a miner's or pyramid type tent- maybe make from a painter's tarp, mainly because there is just one pole. How is the top of the pole formed to prevent it from poking through the top of the tent? Thanks to all for any help.

Modern canvas tents (at least the good ones) use specially treated canvas that is highly water resistant and will not leak if touched. The better ones are made using canvas that is fire resistant. My two Tentsmiths brand tents have never leaked - at least thru the top or sides - we did have water running thru the tent from flooding at two events.......... :idunno:

The wedge type tent has a ridge pole between the two uprights. The canvas sides provide diagonal bracing between the rigid horizontal ridge pole and the bottom edge of the tent when (the bottom two edges/sides) staked to the ground. Simple & easy to set up singlehanded & acceptable at all events.

Most tents that I have seen are heavily reinforced by many layers of canvas at all pole locations and the poles typically have a metal pin sticking out of the "up" end, that goes thru a metal grommet set into the reinforced area. Pin is a snug fit in the grommet & the tent is pulled down tight against the pole. Leaks are not normally an issue, if needed (likely not), a leather or rubber washer can be put on the pole pin.

Miner's or pyramid tents are easy to put up with only the one pole but are shy on standing room in relation to floor space. They are accepted at rondys but not at many juried events. Whether you are concerned about HC/PC or not, it will be easier to resell a wedge (appeals to a wider market) when/if you want to move up to a bigger/newer tent.

Check websites for Panther Primitives and Tentsmiths (my favorite) to get a lot of ideas and info re tents.
 
They look good! HECK!! I might get one :grin: My rule is find the size you think you need and buy one or two sizes bigger.
Have Fun
Phil
 
Fall Creek makes some darn good wall and wedge tents for quite a bit cheaper than anyone else I've found. The wife and I bought an 8X10 wall tent from them,and we love it's excellent construction and water resistance. However if you want to go on the super cheap,and are not overly concerned about the PC/HC police, than you could do what my dad did. When I was a kid, my dad took a 10X12 white canvas tarp,(water and flame resistant) staked down one of the 12 inch sides, (a stake at each grommet) then he took a 6 foot pole with a heavy nail sticking out of the top, and inserted the nail into the center grommet of the opposite 12 inch side. Using a single guy rope he held the pole upright, which caused the two 10 inch sides to hang down to the ground, making a triangular looking thing. He than used rope to make ties out of the door grommets to close up the now connecting 6 foot tall door, and staked down the rest of the grommets, leaving out one or two on one side of the pole,for the door. It worked well, and I'm even considering putting one together as a guest home for friends who what to try out our hobby, but don't want to buy a tent until they know it's for them.(an 8X10 tent don't leave much room for guests) :2
 
I've set up my 12x12 exactly like that a few times. Works great when you want a bit more privacy, or weather protection, than a diamond setup offers. :thumbsup:
With 2 more poles it can be opened up into a simple lean-to during the heat of the day.
 
Crocket,

The angle of the outside of the tent means the water is moving downward at a good speed, so tends not to do anything but continue on its path. When you press (not just touch) on the inside of a plain linen or cotton tent, you flex the cloth and open the weave just a bit, and the water flowing downward on the outside while you press encounters the bulge, so slows just a bit, and then can find a way inside. Plus, as the fabric is wet, it does not spring back into place, so the tiny opening remains, allowing water to drip inside.

The ridge pole can sometimes also cause problems. There is a piece of artwork that shows the ridges of the tents painted red, and perhaps this is not simply decoration?

LD
 
You can buy really good tight weave canvas from Utrecht Art supplies, up to 12 foot width. I bought a piece that was 8 x 18 to make a fly for the outside of my wall tent. Most painter's drop cloths are a pretty loose weave.
 
Yes. My wife once sewed up a wedge tent for me. I used it in some helacious weather and it kept me dry. Forget what kind of cloth was used and if I water proofed it. Probably did.
Put away when not as dry as I thought it was. :shocked2: End of that lodge. :(
 
I spent the first 1/2 doz years of my rendezvous life in a variety of painters tarp leantos. Eventually my daughter got old enough that changing in public was no longer an option and bought a wedge from tentsmiths. Yea, the tent is dryer but the ease of the leanto is missed.
 
PA.1740 said:
You can use a painters tarp washed in hot water & dried hot.Then make it into what ever you want,and spray,paint,how ever you want with CAN-VEX Cabel's sells it in gal.cans works great no smell,lasts for years depending on use if need be just retreat.
Have Fun
Phil

I normally don't correct name errors, but a I spent quite a bit of time looking for can-vek. The correct name is Canvak.
 
I bought a painters tarp and made myself a 7x7 pyramid with a single pole for the front. Yea it's only body length long and about 5 foot high in front. But I only use it to sleep in. I don't hang out in it. If you point the plow towards the incoming wind you can outlast about any thing. A buddy and I went through a tornado warning -high winds, and sever driving rain. We watched tents around us fall down and blow away when everyone else went to shelter. I just got out my book. leaned against the pole and went thru the storm. The key I find to using a painters tarp is to wash it before you make your shelter. washing draws the threads together (the agitation). Then I water proofed it. I hang a poncho or spare piece of canvas over the peak when I want privacy or sleepy time. I rolls up in a nice compact shape and I can place it in a canvas bucket and carry it in.
 

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