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Walks with fire said:
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The barrel I received is workable to provide a good shooting barrel I am sure. I have looked it over real well here at home and other than the horrible threads and packed in chips it should breech ok. It appears to have very minimal run-out. It appears they used a plug tap and it leaves about 1/16" of un-tapped barrel to get it to seat.
I consider breech threads cut to that depth to be a common feature.
The missing thread is not needed for strength.

Rather than bothering with trying to tap the threads completely to the bottom of the pocket, use your flat file to remove about 1 thread from the front of the breech plug.

If the breech plug thread is filed down leaving just a trace of its minor diameter it will never interfere with that unthreaded area.
 
I am a machinist, and sometimes find myself getting a little over sensitive to quality issues. I don't worry about a thousandths or two, or even a grain or two, because I'm rapping it in a rag and hand pouring powder into a measure.

I'm amazed they shoot as good as they do, all things considered.

There's a lot more 2" keyboads than there are 2" groups. I've watched top bench shooters, shot black powder rifles, with only moderate accuracy.
 
Thanks Zonie; that's how I will do it. I just want to make sure it seals correctly. There just isn't much material to butt it into on a 15/16" .54 caliber and 5/8 x 18 threads. It's my first attempt at breeching and it does make me a little nervous. I do prefer to do it myself though.
 
Hello Hadden West.

I am a CNC production aerospace machinist as well. Pretty much only a vertical operator but we produce parts with extremely close tolerance so it kind of sets you back a little when I get my first barrel blank. LOL. It's like wow; this is really bad but as I went through my rant and the people respond that this is normal I start to get it slowly. I will enjoy the project and learn from it and it probably won't be my last barrel blank. I do really like the GM barrels that I have had.

I am about to give up the work I do. I can't really handle to time pressure and the long hours anymore. The experience has been great though. I always liked doing real close tolerance work. I have a background in the furniture business as well. Kind of want to build some rifles in the future.
 
Seeing I haven't cast RBs for many years, I use either Hornady or Speer swaged RBs interchangeably. Mostly use .440 or .445 RBs and after miking both, use either for squirrel hunting and haven't noticed any difference because of the "head hitting" accuracy of both.

Haven't bought any Hornady RBs lately and am grateful for the info on their present quality...sometimes "profits" get in the way of quality. But, if poor quality persists, sales will suffer and if the company values its customers and the lack of sales affects profits, steps will be taken to improve the quality....hopefully, but not always....Fred
 
I have shot quite a few boxes of Hornady balls in my day and have not yet experienced what you did. For the last several years I have shot only balls that I have cast and have not bought any Hornady balls in probably 5 or 6 years.

Several years ago, I did a study on the consistency of Hornady balls and on their 000 buckshot that I was using in my .36 cal. rifle. I weighed and measured 2 separate batches of 000 buckshot. The first batch of 000 buckshot consisted of 365 balls. They were weighed on a Lyman electronic scale. The zero on the scale was checked before each ball was weighed. The calibration of the scale was checked before and after weighing all of the balls using calibrated weights of 50 grains and 100 grains. The first batch of balls ranged in weight from 64.2 grains to 65.7 grains with an average of 65.0 grains and a std. dev. of 0.2 grains. Next, I measured the diameter of each of the 365 balls. I used a 1 inch Starrett micrometer to measure the balls. The diameter of the balls ranged from .349 inches to .355 inches with an average of .351 and a std. dev. of .003 inches.

The second batch of Hornady 000 buckshot consisted of only 111 balls and only the weight was studied. this batch ranged from 63.7 grains to 65.1 grains with an average weight of 64.3 grains and a std. dev. of 0.3 grains.

Next, I studied three boxes of Hornady .395 balls. Two were full boxes and one had been opened and had only 85 balls left in it. The first box of 100 balls ranged in weight from 95.0 grains to 96.0 grains. The average was 95.4 grains with a std. dev. of 0.3 grains. The second box of 100 balls ranged in weight from 94.4 grains to 95.5 grains. The average was 95.1 grains with a std. dev. of 0.3 grains. The third box containing only 85 balls ranged in weight from 94.0 grains to 94.6 grains. the average for that box was 94.3 grains with a std. dev. of 0.1 grains.

Lastly, a box of 100 Hornady .440 round balls were weighed for consistency. The balls ranged from 130.3 grains to 131.6 grains with an average of 130.9 grains and a std. dev. of 0.3 grains.

All of these Hornady balls had a nice appearance with no obvious defects.

So, comparing my results with yours, my conclusion is that Hornady used to make fairly decent balls but it certainly appears that their quality control has seriously slipped. It makes me wonder if Hornady is actually making the balls themselves or importing them from some place like China. If they are made in China, who the hell knows what they might be melting down and using for lead? I thought all of their lead was being used in exported food, medicine, toys and kids furniture paint. I'm glad I am casting all of my own balls now. Somewhere I have a study on them but I don't have it at hand right now.
 
Billnpatti said:
It makes me wonder if Hornady is actually making the balls themselves or importing them from some place like China. If they are made in China, who the hell knows what they might be melting down and using for lead? I thought all of their lead was being used in exported food, medicine, toys and kids furniture paint.

:haha: :haha: :haha: Thank you, Bill, I needed a good laugh today. :thumbsup:

And thanks for sharing your thorough inspection results. Much appreciated.

Richard/Grumpa
 
Seems more than fair to me and get their reponse versus not being kind to them on the www.
 
I couldn't call them unless I did it from the office at work and didn't find that important enough to request a long distance call. No cell phones permitted where I work.

I did send an e-mail and supplied the lot numbers. I simply explained the deep gouge in the ball when a chunk of lead just flakes off. I also let them know I had used their round balls for years and never experienced any issues with their product. I then just requested they look into it. Enough said; no response yet. I know I wouldn't buy another box if there were Speer ball on the shelf. I would also inspect Hornady if I were to buy any.
 
I have taken two different tours of Hornady's plant in NE.

They melt their lead into a ingot. They place these in a big press and out shoots lead rope in what every dia. they need. That lead rope gets wound on a spool. They then use those lead ropes to make their bullets and round balls.

fleener
 
Well hopefully it was an isolated batch/lot problem with an assignable cause - like 'new operator' or such.

In the past I gotten only 3.0 grain variation for lots of Hornady 45-cal roundballs. And the variation, while skewed, followed for 2 different lots of varying age manufacture, as denoted by the different boxes and lot numbers.

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I got a response via e-mail today and they would like to have them shipped to them for evaluation. I will send them in. I wish I could take some pictures of them but I can't. I kept shooting them with the gouge up and I only have about 3/4 of 1 box left. I will send what is left in.
 
I'll have to check the Hornadys that I have on hand. I've seen pictures of pieces or balls removed from deer and thought it odd that they came apart despite not having hit any real bone.

Back around 1980, I had a CVA Mountain Rifle and new Dixie Tn Mtn Rifle, both 50cal. I bought one of those inexpensive molds from Dixie Gunworks that necessitated the sprue be removed with cutters and was surprised that both of my rifles shot tighter groups with those than with Hornadys.

These days I worried that my "soft lead" wasn't soft enough for PRBs, but after recovering a couple from deer, its apparent that they are fine. The recovered balls expand well, retain weight exceptionally well, and have not fragmented. My big Virginia buck was pounded through the shoulders at about 25 yards as he walked by, and the .605" expanded to 7/8" x 15/16" and shed 1/2gr as compared to other balls in my pouch.

I'm wondering if it is the higher velocity of smaller calibers is just too much for the Hornadys.
 
colorado clyde said:
The thing that bothers me is that no one seems to have bothered to contact the company and get their response...... :hmm:

Agree. Hornaday is a good company known for producing quality products. The company name is family and they are proud of providing good customer service. I think Daddy Hornaday would come out of his grave if they imported China made stuff. :shocked2:
 
Walks with fire said:
I got a response via e-mail today and they would like to have them shipped to them for evaluation. I will send them in. I wish I could take some pictures of them but I can't. I kept shooting them with the gouge up and I only have about 3/4 of 1 box left. I will send what is left in.
Now we're starting to make some progress.. :thumbsup:
 
I've had very few issues with Hornady products over the years. However when there was a problem their tech guys were all over it. They never did fail me.
 
I've had good luck with Hornady Bullets and balls in the past...They are an "economical" brand...Their cartridge ammunition is less desirable...Speer Balls were my preference before I made my own.....But that was many moons ago...

Many companies simply weigh complaints against sales....as their end user QC...
It is important for them to hear your complaints.
 
Before I started making my own I used Hornady. Never really had an issue with them except they tended to vary in weight by a couple of grains either way.

Now that I cast my own the weight variations can be controlled by what is exceptable to me. It's also a lot cheaper after the initial cost of rounding up your equipment. The cost for your casting equipment can also vary from being on the low end in price to on the higher end. Either way, the money you will save will more than pay for the initial cost in a very small amount of time! You only have to buy it once in the beginning as well!

If you don't have a place to cast I can definitely see your problem! When I did shoot Hornady RB I never really had a problem with their quality except with weight variations.

Respectfully, Cowboy
 

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