How wet is wet?

[stephenprops1]

@stephenprops1, the sloppy wet patch pushed fouling into the flash channel and the Pedersoli chambered breech. The dry patch could not remove the sloppy fouling from the chambered breech.

To prevent the pushing of fouling into the chambered breech one can do a couple of things.
One: Use a smaller caliber jag that is small enough to allow the damp patch to slide over the fouling then bunch up to pull the fouling out. This means having a loading jag and a cleaning jag.
OR
Two: Have a stop marked on the ramrod just above where a loaded ball would rest to run the damp patch before loading.
OR
Three: Do not wipe. Load the powder. Insert an over powder wad then the ball in a wet patch. The over powder wad prevents the wet patch from contaminating the powder as the wet patch wipes the fouling down the barrel.

Thank you for the advice.

 

[ormond tony]

Thanks for your replies. Gave me an 'hmmmmm....' moment: Do you think the snake "cottonmouth" got its name because some hunter a long time ago thought the snake's mouth looked like a hunter with some cotton patches in the his mouth, getting ready to shoot?

 

[hanshi]

With a liquid lube I get them wet but not drippy and squeeze them lightly if any drip. The patches are rubbed well across the mink oil then I use my fingers to get the grease soaked well into the weave.

 

[Tjmoe59]

At a Rendezvous last year I was shooting a Pedersoli, Kentucky, Carbine, 45 caliber, percussion rifle. I used Wonder Lubed patches. Between each shot I wetted a patch in my mouth, wiped out the bore and then ran a dry patch down the bore before loading the gun. After the 3rd shot I started getting misfires. I had to trickle powder behind the nipple to clear out the mess. Later, when I cleaned the gun, I found a sloppy quagmire of fluid at the breech end of the barrel. The next day I only used the Wonder Lube and refrained from using a spit-patch to clean it. The gun worked fine. --- I still don't understand why that happened.

I have a pedersoli.45 Kentucky I used their 208 conversion kit which stopped ignition issues I was having. I bought it new and I only had experience with a kit pistols before hand. I am currently using 777 pyrodex powder. I have found if I don’t wet patch between shots my jag gets tight on last two inches and I must hook my cleaning rod on bench and slide hammer it to get it out of rifle, is this normal

 

[Tjmoe59]

At a Rendezvous last year I was shooting a Pedersoli, Kentucky, Carbine, 45 caliber, percussion rifle. I used Wonder Lubed patches. Between each shot I wetted a patch in my mouth, wiped out the bore and then ran a dry patch down the bore before loading the gun. After the 3rd shot I started getting misfires. I had to trickle powder behind the nipple to clear out the mess. Later, when I cleaned the gun, I found a sloppy quagmire of fluid at the breech end of the barrel. The next day I only used the Wonder Lube and refrained from using a spit-patch to clean it. The gun worked fine. --- I still don't understand why that happened.

I have a pedersoli.45 Kentucky I used their 208 conversion kit which stopped ignition issues I was having. I bought it new and I only had experience with a kit pistols before hand. I am currently using 777 pyrodex powder. I have found if I don’t wet patch between shots my jag gets tight on last two inches and I must hook my cleaning rod on bench and slide hammer it to get it out of rifle, is this normal

I called gun shop in Missouri that pedersoli suggested and he said use gojo between shots and this stopped issue but is this normal to have bore shrink to such a small opening

 

[Erwan]

I am currently using 777 pyrodex powder. I have found if I don’t wet patch between shots my jag gets tight on last two inches and I must hook my cleaning rod on bench and slide hammer it to get it out of rifle, is this normal

I don't think that is normal, apart if the patches are absolutely dry…
I use three Pedersoli each week by series of fifteen bullets and I never clean between shots, only after the fifteen bullets. I'm using two Tryon (one Tryon Match for 100yards, the other for 50yards) and one Pennsylvania rifle, all in .45cal…
OK, this is mostly with real BP (French 2Fg or Swiss 3Fg), but when I'm shooting with Pyrodex (RS and Select, never did try the T7), it is the same way : I don't clean between shots. I don't believe that it could be different with the T7. If you get a ring or a reduction of the size after few shots, it wouldn't certainly be the reason of it and certainly not the Pedersoli barrels or the propellant, the problem is certainly at another side…
What's about the thickness of yours patches, your lubricant and the charge ?

 

[Tjmoe59]

I don't think that is normal…
I use three Pedersoli each week by series of fifteen bullets and I never clean between shots, only after the fifteen bullets. I'm using two Tryon (one Tryon Match for 100yards, the other for 50yards) and one Pennsylvania rifle, all in .45cal…
OK, this is mostly with real BP (French 2Fg or Swiss 3Fg), but when I'm shooting with Pyrodex (RS and Select, never did try the T7), it is the same way : I don't clean between shots. I don't believe that it could be different with the T7. If you get a ring or a reduction of the size after few shots, it wouldn't certainly be the reason of it and certainly not the Pedersoli barrels or the propellant, the problem is certainly at another side…
What's about the thickness of yours patches, your lubricant and the charge ?

Store bought cleaning patches tried t-shirt thickness and thinner does same with either one using 70 grains 777 does same thing with pyrodex pistol I just registered it with pedersoli I am thinking barrel is machined wrong. They had me call their u.s. gunsmith and using gojo between shots did stop problem I just think it’s a band-aid for the real issue

 

[Erwan]

Ok, the cleaning patches we do that with a lot of old textiles (sheets, pillows, T-shirts, etc) and we don't care because that is just for cleaning during shooting for some guys and only after for others…
I'll tell you what I'm using, and it is very simple :
Tryon 50 yards 45gns round balls or Minié, BP or Pyrodex, patches cotton 0,010" thick, if round balls .445", pure neatsfoot oil. That cleans and lubricate.
For the 100yards Tryon : compressive bullets of 500grains or Minié 340grains greased, 65 and 45grains French BP PNF1 (3Fg).
For the Pennsylvania : 65gns BP 3Fg, 0.013" patches also with pure neatsfoot oil.
The barrels are clean with very soft residues, balls go down without forcing from the first to the fifteenth and sometimes more...
I won't say that my recipe is good, but it works well. You maybe have to see in this side if something is wrong and what can help.... maybe...
For the Pyrodex the volume is equal to the volume of the BP...

 

[Curley 50 cal]

Whether using a precut or a cut in place patch, I soak the patch with my mouth then pull the moisture back out off the patch buy sucking on it before placing the patch and ball over the muzzle and starting the ball spru up.

 

[hanshi]

T-shirt patches are too thin to patch ball with; and they won't keep the bore clear when you seat the prb. For that you will need thicker, stronger patching with mattress ticking being a good place to start.

 

[Erwan]

T-shirt patches are too thin to patch ball with; and they won't keep the bore clear when you seat the prb. For that you will need thicker, stronger patching with mattress ticking being a good place to start.

That's sure, those patches are just good enough for cleaning, not to patch any bullet...

 

[Shotgunblast]

And try different size patched ball also, if you buy or borrow a micrometer would help determine what you have in patch thickness.

 

[Shotgunblast]

Write everything down or it's just a wild *** guess. Keep a shooting book for each firearm.

 

[flntlokr]

Everyone is talking about the type of patch and how to get it wet. I would like to know how wet do you get the patch? Is it lightly damp or damp enough to get your fingers slippery, or wet to the point of dripping in the pouch? It may have been answered or some common sense approach but I can't find any reference to 'how wet is wet' for a patch? Thanks.

I use a detergent/water lube. I place stacks of pre-punched patches in a prescription bottle, squirt a bit of detergent in and fill the bottle with water, squeezing the stack as I fill to work out all the air and distribute the soap. When it's range time, I remove however many patches (still stacked) that I may use in a session, and squeeze all of the water out that I can. I then peel off patches one at a time for loading. If they dry too much, I just give them a lick before placing on the muzzle. I usually shoot all day without having to swab as fouling gets wiped down with every load. If a load seems to get a bit tight near the bottom, I just load the next patch super wet and push it slowly through the sticky bit so that the lube has time to soften and wipe the of fouling.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

I use two containers. A plastic one no one sees that carries the wet patches, and my decorator snuff box where they are rung out and put in moist.