Indian muskets

[Colonial Boy]

Just read this on an Indian site:
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Indian made muskets​

Post by Cordite » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:44 pm

Hi Kanwar76

I read those links, very reassuring (I'm literally blown away, pun intended!) by the story of the mercilessly SEVERE C.I.P. proof test done on an Indian Musket in Germany. An enjoyable, edge-of-your-seat read:

"I have been at the proofhouse to get the official test and proof on one of those India muskets that I have ordered for my brother. He and his men are reenacting the Ansbach-Bayreuth Troop of soldiers, send over to the AWI to fight for the British King.

Bad thing - since February this year, we have a new, stronger gun law in Germany. This also means new rules for the gun proof.

What they did was measureing the barrel, then they put 300 grain FF powder plus 2 patched round balls into the barrel and fired it from the musket 5 times!
They measured after each shot. Well the musket made it. Proofstamps on it tells you it is considered "Safe to fire”.

For what it’s worth.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

I love this subject.

 

[Trot]

37 pages from now we will have opinions ranging from pipe bomb to forged by Vulcan himself on Mount Olympus.

 

[earlwb]

Wow! That is some serious proofing that they do. A load like that sounds more like they are deliberately trying to blow the thing up not proof it.

 

[wiscoaster]

No doubt worth a viral YouTube video on some sensationalist gun channel.

 

[Marplot]

Wow! That is some serious proofing that they do. A load like that sounds more like they are deliberately trying to blow the thing up not proof it.

I bet they had the musket clamped in a vise and a very, very long string tied to the trigger!

I was at a rifle range and I was shooting a .44 Automag at 100yard targets and someone near me had a flintlock clamped in a vise and a long string. The range people asked that anyone close, to stand back while they pulled the string. Seems like someone had double charged the flintlock. It went "boom" but all was ok.

BOOM!

 

[Sam squanch]

Are you sure it’s not the German government trying to deliberately destroy firearms so you can’t own one now?

 

[Master Blaster]

37 pages from now we will have opinions ranging from pipe bomb to forged by Vulcan himself on Mount Olympus.

Forged by Sauron in the fires of Mount Doom.

"One musket to rule them all..."

 

[wiscoaster]

Forged by Sauron in the fires of Mount Doom.

"One musket to rule them all..."

Hah!! That's the one I want. Where do I order from?

 

[Commodore Swab]

Hah!! That's the one I want. Where do I order from?

I checked "out of stock" just buy a kibler

 

[Tumbledown]

I checked "out of stock" just buy a kibler

Kibler doesn't make military muskets.

 

[Commodore Swab]

No jokes for you I take it?

 

[Colonial Boy]

I’ d say that the German proof house had heard of Indian new made muskets and were making sure; but not much heavier than English proof.

 

[Brokennock]

5 proof fire shots deliberately stressing (?overstressing?) The barrel......
Not sure I want to fire shot #6....
But maybe


If the gun could be defarbed well enough

 

[Powder Flask Collector]

The information concerning the proof of muzzleloading guns in Germany is wrong.
The current German Fire Arms Proof Act came into force on April 1, 2003 .(See BeschG - nichtamtliches Inhaltsverzeichnis) and was last changed in 2020. (Art. 361 VO vom 19. Juni 2020)


A musket of 12 gauge =.69 Cal. will be prooved with about 13 gramm black powder (most of the time Swiss black powder no. 2 is used) and 65 gramm shot. No patched round bullets are used for proof shooting.

 

[Colonial Boy]

The information concerning the proof of muzzleloading guns in Germany is wrong.
The current German Fire Arms Proof Act came into force on April 1, 2003 .(See BeschG - nichtamtliches Inhaltsverzeichnis) and was last changed in 2020. (Art. 361 VO vom 19. Juni 2020)


A musket of 12 gauge =.69 Cal. will be prooved with about 13 gramm black powder (most of the time Swiss black powder no. 2 is used) and 65 gramm shot. No patched round bullets are used for proof shooting.

Well that clarifies things but the poster that I quoted seemed to be relating personal experience, maybe they upped the test for the Indian musket. Do they have discression?

 

[earlwb]

Well that is a relief. I thought the Germans had gone wild there for a bit.

 

[Powder Flask Collector]

The german proof shooting has its basis on CIP regulations.

 

[Sam squanch]

I can see some anti gun committee deliberately destroying firearms with a too heavy proof load. “ sorry your gun didn’t survive our rigorous inspection to keep you safe”….

 

[Aglukan]

Just read this on an Indian site:
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Indian made muskets​

Post by Cordite » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:44 pm

Hi Kanwar76

I read those links, very reassuring (I'm literally blown away, pun intended!) by the story of the mercilessly SEVERE C.I.P. proof test done on an Indian Musket in Germany. An enjoyable, edge-of-your-seat read:

"I have been at the proofhouse to get the official test and proof on one of those India muskets that I have ordered for my brother. He and his men are reenacting the Ansbach-Bayreuth Troop of soldiers, send over to the AWI to fight for the British King.

Bad thing - since February this year, we have a new, stronger gun law in Germany. This also means new rules for the gun proof.

What they did was measureing the barrel, then they put 300 grain FF powder plus 2 patched round balls into the barrel and fired it from the musket 5 times!
They measured after each shot. Well the musket made it. Proofstamps on it tells you it is considered "Safe to fire”.

For what it’s worth.

why proof test guns that are not monitored after being proofed ? Makes no sense.