information for CVA 50 caliber, barrel made in USA

[traderlee]

I just purchased a CVA 50 caliber rifle with a barrel made in USA. It has a serial number on it, which is 0012278. The stock is blonde in color, so it is not walnut. It is missing it looks like two brass washers that hold the lock on it. Barrel is 32 inches long. Any background info would be helpful. thanks TraderLee

 

[chapmans]

I'm gonna open a big ole can of worms but the barrels marked made in USA are not made in USA the only thing on those rifles made in USA is the stocks, they are maple and came from Michigan I used to buy seconds at the Kalamazoo gun show 25 yrs ago they had bins of them for $15 a piece. I was best friends with the fellow who built the prototype for CVA, they flew him to Spain and he took a piece of Douglas barrel along and rifled a barrel while in Spain, I still have a cross sectioned piece of that barrel. I have used these barrels to build guns around and have fixed or recrowned many of these barrels, they are way too hard to be Douglas or Sharon barrels, the lathe and cutting tool tells the tail. As far as your gun goes the washers are steel the early ones were straight knurled and pressed into the stock the later ones were larger in dia. and were just washers that could fall off if the lock screws were removed. They are good accurate guns and have an almost cult like following because of the stamp on the barrel. Sorry if I stepped on anybody's toes but I can honestly say I was there!
Regards, Steve Chapman

 

[russecv58]

what style rifle is it? (i.e. hawken, mountain, kentucky?) they're all fun shootin' if you call Traditions they have the brass washers for the lock screws they're the same as the CVA ones for the haken & kentucky rifles anyway. i have purchased some of these myself, so thats how i know....good luck and happy shootin'

 

[ohio ramrod]

The early CVA mountain rifles had "made in USA" barrels. While the origional prototype had a Douglas barrel there is debate over who made the production barrels. Either Douglas or Sharon. But whoever made them they were a high quality barrel. I just restored one for a friend who inherited it.I'll try and post a picture so you can compare yours to it.

 

[ohio ramrod]

Well here it is. Does this look like your rifle. If so you have what I consider to be the best rifle CVA ever sold!

 

[leslie]

Yes I have one,it was a project to clean up.A question;was it typical to have to set the trigger before putting the lock on full ****?

 

[Rogue River]

It sounds like you have an early model CVA Mountain Rifle. If you just got it off the auction site a week or so ago and the stock is blond it is a Mt. Rifle! They don't have the brass lock washers they have a knurled bushing that fits flush. Barrel is 32 inches, has 2 wedge pins with german silver wedge plates, steel buttplate and a pewter nosecap! the early models had a 4 screw german silver patchbox and the later ones had a 2 screw model! I'll bet yours is a 4 screw patchbox! If the barrel says made in america you got a good one! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Rogue River]

The answer to your question is No! I think the problem is that your trigger plate is sitting to deep in the inlet. Put a couple of small washers between your trigger plate and stock, one in front and one in back to shim it. the problem is when the rear trigger(set) is not set it is hitting the sear arm. If one washer don't work use 2!

 

[traderlee]

Yes, it loooks like that one only blonde wood.

Thanks to all who responded, it was all good info.

 

[traderlee]

You are right. It has four screws, and I have yet to fire it but will this weeekend. What attrracted me to this gun was the blonde stock, and the octagonal barrel was clean, inside and out. I figured the set screw problem was the fact that the washers were missing. Thank you for yor response. If I knew how to post pictures, I would post one of it. I purchased it at the Western Muzzleloaders competition at Ben Avery firing range outsdie of Phoenix, Az.

 

[ohio ramrod]

If you have to set the trigger to get the gun to full ****, the trigger plate is inlet too deep. Just shim it out and every thinbg will be fine. :hmm:

 

[rafterob]

May we ask the price paid? It would contribute to the floating reference base for current values. I have one of those pieced together from a few different sources. My favorite and most accurate rifle. I had to recently resight the rifle because I dropped it in the case and bent the front sight. After getting it zeroed in at 25 yards thought I would try some offhand shots at 50 yards. Decided to stop after the first shot because it could only get worse from there :grin:

 

[traderlee]

Yes, I picked it up for $200.00 plus I traded a $60.00 leather canteen that I make and sell on ebay. Maybe I should post my leather canteens on this site.

 

[Rogue River]

Very good price if the rifle is in good condition! It worth roughly twice that! As far as your canteens the forum has a classified section that you might want to try! Price is right. :thumbsup:

 

[Kentuckywindage]

I'm gonna open a big ole can of worms but the barrels marked made in USA are not made in USA the only thing on those rifles made in USA is the stocks, they are maple and came from Michigan I used to buy seconds at the Kalamazoo gun show 25 yrs ago they had bins of them for $15 a piece. I was best friends with the fellow who built the prototype for CVA, they flew him to Spain and he took a piece of Douglas barrel along and rifled a barrel while in Spain, I still have a cross sectioned piece of that barrel. I have used these barrels to build guns around and have fixed or recrowned many of these barrels, they are way too hard to be Douglas or Sharon barrels, the lathe and cutting tool tells the tail. As far as your gun goes the washers are steel the early ones were straight knurled and pressed into the stock the later ones were larger in dia. and were just washers that could fall off if the lock screws were removed. They are good accurate guns and have an almost cult like following because of the stamp on the barrel. Sorry if I stepped on anybody's toes but I can honestly say I was there!
Regards, Steve Chapman

Whhhhhat?!!

The made in USA stamped CVA Mountain rifles use Douglas barrels! The stock should be Maple, blonde maple stocks were very common on this.

Stock made in USA, ahhhaha! thats funny.

 

[hanshi]

I have a CVA barrel stamped "made in USA" and it's .45 caliber. I also have the stock but virtually none of the hardware. I'd sure love to turn into a nice flinter.

 

[Walks Alone]

Whhhhhat?!!

The made in USA stamped CVA Mountain rifles use Douglas barrels!

:bull:

That's never been documented by any source that I or any reasonable person will accept as proof positive. Steve was there, was best friends with Don Kammerer, the smith who designed and built the prototype MR for CVA. Steve believes only the prototype had a Douglas barrel, not the production rifles that came after. Why? Among other reasons because Don was a fan of Douglas barrels, so if they had been used in the production rifles he would have said so to Steve and made a big deal of it. So up to now IMO Steve has offered the most plausible information on this models barrels. And unlike most folks with an opinion about it, his is not just speculation like the opinions of others that continues to be passed on endlessly.

And it follows there is no proof that Sharon made the barrels for CVA either.

Who the early Mountian Rifle barrel maker was is probably one of those "we will probably never know for sure" things.

FWIW-YMMV

 

[necchi]

Thank you Walks Alone, I was hoping you'd come along in this one, You've done alot of study on these things.
And Thank you, Longball58 aka; Mr.Chapman for sharing 1st hand knowledge :thumbsup:

 

[Kentuckywindage]

call the folks at deer creek, they bought the original machine that made the barrels for the CVA mountain rifles. DOUGLAS barrels.

TC's use Sharon barrels back in the old days from what ive read.

 

[Kentuckywindage]

Per Dudley CEO of CVA,
The very first CVA Mountain Rifles were indeed made with Douglas barrels. Nice group.

Dudley McGarity

CEO

:v