Is this the real deal?

[Jebidiah Springfield]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/896238843
gunbroker item #896238843 1860 colt "army"

I'm bidding on this one.

Can people please confirm this is an original and not a reproduction?

Thank you in advance :0)

 

[Robert an saa fan]

Not an antique 1800's Colt. 1860 Colt serial numbers stopped just over 200000. This Colt seems to be an antiqued 2nd Generation Colt however the serial number 213550 does not show up on Colt.com.

Colt 2nd Generation production restarted the 1800's serial numbers a ways past where Colt stopped in the 1870's.

The highest serial number 2nd Generation Colt's I have or have had were the stainless models made in the last 2nd Generation production and are in the 211000 - 212000 serial range.

https://colt.com/serial-lookup

 

[Jebidiah Springfield]

Thank you.

The seller is claiming it is an original 1860.
I've asked to cancel my bid.
The gun clearly is in too fine a condition to be genuine 1860s

 

[erhunter]

It looks like tricky wording suggesting it's an original. He really doesn't state it's an original 1860, just it's a rare MODEL 1860, unless I am reading it wrong.

 

[Robert an saa fan]

Jebidiah, did you send the seller the information I posted above?

Seller can easily verify online that the serial number they pictured is higher than the antique 1800's production run.

Agree with erhunter the auction wording is tricky. Good luck to anyone who finds out what they really bought and getting their money back from this seller.

 

[Jebidiah Springfield]

I emailed him asking if it was an original 1860 from the 1860s and he replied "correct"

 

[Jebidiah Springfield]

I did tell him the serial# proves this was not made in the 1860s

 

[Zonie]

According to Flayderman's Guide to Antique American Firearms, the 1860 Colt serial numbers began at 1 and "continued thru about 200500."

As Flayderman's Guide is one of the better guides to antique guns, I'd go with this number as being accurate.

 

[Jebidiah Springfield]

Serial 213550 is right out

 

[Jebidiah Springfield]

What do you guys think fair market value for this auction is?

 

[44Bro]

If it does include the stock,,,then the price is about right. It is a third gen, with the apostrophe in the Colt's patent line. To bad somebody has taken steel wool of a scrubbing pad to the finish.

 

[nit wit]

Some Colt's were made under Colt's license. They are marked made in Italy under the rammer.
Nit Wit

 

[kh0456]

I’d ask for better photos. the top of the barrel and under the rammer as Nit Wit mentioned Looking for any writing.
the price as it is now is probably not bad for a Colt repro with the stock. But if he’s selling as an original.... that’s a bit sketchy Looks too new including the cones. Someone took steel wool or a scotch bright pad to it.

 

[Jebidiah Springfield]

It clearly is not from 1860. GunBrocker just told me via email all bids are binding even in the case of fraud, so I have escalated this complaint up the flagpole.
I think when the more senior muckity mucks at Gunbrocker see this response they will cancel my bid.

 

[kh0456]

It clearly is not from 1860. GunBrocker just told me via email all bids are binding even in the case of fraud, so I have escalated this complaint up the flagpole.
I think when the more senior muckity mucks at Gunbrocker see this response they will cancel my bid.

binding even in the case of fraud? Meaning you feel obligated to send money anyway?
Were you just after the revolver if it was original? BTW... I asked him a similar question but haven’t heard back.

 

[Jebidiah Springfield]

If it were to be what it was advertised to be, what the seller confirmed in an email to me, I would have been interested.

Yes, you read that correctly, GunBroker is currently saying even in the case of fraud, bids are binding, which is ridiculous, and I'm sure will be corrected once it reaches someone with a brain.

I asked them specifically if I could get in on this fraud action too, and asked the specific question of if I could list say 1000 rounds of a rare ammo, then ship them a rock, and would then GB protect me because I was able to entice someone to bid, so can I keep the $ and send them a lump of coal since they were too stupid and took the listing at face value. I'll post their response when there is one.

 

[springfield art]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/896238843
gunbroker item #896238843 1860 colt "army"

I'm bidding on this one.

Can people please confirm this is an original and not a reproduction?

Thank you in advance :0)

Just be sure it's not one of the Colt Blackpowder Series.(Modern Colt-marked repros)

 

[springfield art]

Thank you.

The seller is claiming it is an original 1860.
I've asked to cancel my bid.
The gun clearly is in too fine a condition to be genuine 1860s

"A noble spirit Embiggens the smallest Man!"

 

[Jebidiah Springfield]

Yes, we have conclusively established this is a 2nd or 3rd gen, and not original

 

[erhunter]

One thing I learned through all of this. This forum has many established professionals in all fields here, and BEFORE you buy or bid on an item, ask the questions. Not after you have committed to buying. This is one of the best forums for traditional muzzleloaders on the net!