I've had black and I'm not going back

[sparky911]

no matter what Jim Shockey says.. :thumbsup:


I finally bought a few pounds of Goex FFG the other day when I was in a town with a dealer who carries it.

Black powder rules supreme over any other "propellant"

I did notice the rotten egg sulphur smell last night when I was cleaning the bore :barf:

anyway, it was high twenty's yesterday morning, 12-15 mph wind in my face but I had to go out and shoot a few times at least.

I found out that my trigger is way to light, I need to figure out how to adjust it for sure.

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[Swampman]

Try 3F, you'll like it even better.

 

[sparky911]

Try 3F, you'll like it even better.

ah, go a step finer for quicker burn?

 

[blacksmithman64]

yeah, it'll kick up the muzzle velocity too.I use 60 grains of 3Fg in my .50. You'll have to work up a load- it takes less 3f than 2f. I was using 75 grains of 2f

 

[Mulebrain]

FFF :v

It is really all I run!

 

[nw_hunter]

First time I cleaned my rifle in the house,my wife complained, and said I would have to give up pinto beans or leave home :surrender:

I use 3f goex most of the time. If I use Pyrodex, it's Pyro P.

 

[jtmattison]

Try 3F, you'll like it even better.

I guess I'll be the first in this thread to disagree.

3F isn't for every rifle. I've used it in all of mine and after extensive load testing most of mine prefer 2F.

I'm not saying don't try it, but I wouldn't rush out and buy a lot of it without trying a can first to see how your rifle likes it.

:v

HD

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

Amen. I use both depending on the rifle, with bigger bores usually liking FFg best. And my smooth bores all prefer FFg over FFFg. My smallest smooth bore is a twenty bore though, a smaller one might like the smaller granulation better.

 

[Swampman]

I've never seen a blackpowder gun of any caliber (up to .750+) that didn't shoot better with 3F, but I've only owned a 100+ guns.

 

[PreglerD]

I've never seen a blackpowder gun of any caliber (up to .750+) that didn't shoot better with 3F, but I've only owned a 100+ guns.

Here in Germany nearly all ML shooters use bp and not subs. Main reason is that in competition only bp is allowed. Only reloaders use the subs sometimes. For me bp is the real stuff, but I use only FFg or WANO PP (similar to FFg, like Schützen).But bp here is quite expensiv, 1 kg/€ 38,00.

Regards

Kirrmeister

 

[Kentuckywindage]

add some pinesol to your cleaning bucket. Makes the room smell purdy while you clean.

 

[GreyWhiskers]

Sparky,

You'll get used to the set triggers. After a while you won't want to shoot one without. And I agree, GOEX is great. Either 2f or 3f. :thumbsup: GW

 

[roundball]

Good for you...speaking only from my personal experience, real BP is outstanding in every respect. You can forget about any of slow/sluggish/delayed ignition with something like Goex, compared to the modern subs...it lights off "right now".

I use 3F in every caliber and load that I can as it suits my needs of being faster than 2F, leaves a little less fouling than 2F, and is extremely accurate. That said, I originally sighted in both my .58 and .62cal round ball rifles with Goex 2F because the recoil is a bit softer with the heavier projectiles...and a ragged hole at 50 yards is plenty accurate enough for me...so I'll continue to use 2F in those rifles as I always wipe between shots in them anyway.

I doubt seriously that people run exhaustive side x side scientific tests which clearly shows one is more accurate than the other...so as others have said, try them both.
There are differences in barrels, loading techniques, wiping techniques, lubes, patches, balls, PRB combo's, etc, etc, all play into accuracy.
Then you'll end up selecting the one that gives you the best overall performance and confidence considering speed, accuracy, fouling, recoil, etc.

Worse case, no matter which you choose, IMO you're already better off than using the subs. :wink:

 

[sparky911]

I've never seen a blackpowder gun of any caliber (up to .750+) that didn't shoot better with 3F, but I've only owned a 100+ guns.

Here in Germany nearly all ML shooters use bp and not subs. Main reason is that in competition only bp is allowed. Only reloaders use the subs sometimes. For me bp is the real stuff, but I use only FFg or WANO PP (similar to FFg, like Schützen).But bp here is quite expensiv, 1 kg/€ 38,00.

Regards

Kirrmeister

just curious, how restricted is the BP there?
Hard to find, purchase, price per can?

 

[bingo1952]

Yep, that is kind of expensive. $22.05 lb US. We can get Swiss brand for less than that. Why so expensive in its home country?

 

[MSW]

because big brother not only watches you, he charges for the honor of being watched... added value tax and all...

 

[Tom Compton]

Try 3F, you'll like it even better.

I guess I'll be the first in this thread to disagree.

3F isn't for every rifle. I've used it in all of mine and after extensive load testing most of mine prefer 2F.

I'm not saying don't try it, but I wouldn't rush out and buy a lot of it without trying a can first to see how your rifle likes it.

:v

HD

Do not disagree with your learning the advantage of black over the substitutes.

Second one here to recommend the FF. FF produces more consistant velocity from my .40s and .50s (all w/ Douglas barrels). That is why you need to try both when working up a pet load as well as increasingly tighter ball and patch combinations. If you don't try different things - ONLY CHANGE ONE THING AT A TIME - keep records and targets to analyze, you will never be sure how well a particular firearm will perform.
TC

 

[musketman]

I've never seen a blackpowder gun of any caliber (up to .750+) that didn't shoot better with 3F, but I've only owned a 100+ guns.

My brown bess doesn't like FFFg, it burns holes in the patches, I load the exact same way with FFg and no burn through. (I even reduced the FFFg load by 15% because of the finer granulation)

I put FFFg through my 58 Zouave and it shoots much cleaner than with FFg.

 

[skunkhead]

Good for you. I learned a long time a go that bp was far more reliable than pyrodex. pyrodex cost me a deer in my early years. That was enough for me. Clean your rifle good and bust a cap or flash the pan and you will have ignition every time.

 

[kossetx]

I shot some this weekend for the first time in 30 years. It is, imo, better. The smoke tells you what and why you are doing this. May as well be shooting a cartridge rifle with pyrodex.

I have a pic of me 30 years ago that happened to catch both the muzzle and pan flash with smoke on the fringes. A lot more hair and a lot less weight. :cursing: By the way, the pic was taken with a 110 camera. Remember those?