Jaeger Shooters

[bucktales]

Deutsches Jagdmuseum Muenchen.

A very cool place to visit . :thumbsup:

 

[cal.43]

Als nun der Hiesel den Anblick seiner 2 todgeschossenen und zum Theil stark verwundeten Kameraden wahrgenommen,

As now the Hiesel the look of his two shot dead and partialy heavily wounded companions has been noticed.

The pages are printed in modern German I can´t see any problems with the text.

 

[Stophel]

I just don't read it well enough. I'd be sitting forever with a dictionary.... :wink:

Just thought it would be interesting. :wink:

 

[cal.43]

Matthias Brentan, vulgo der Bayrische Hiesel

this guy was a poacher and after his friend Sternputz had been catched, he formed a gang and was stealling from the administration. He was famous for the the pour parting his houl with them.

 

[alrany187]

I'm kinda late to this discussion. Let me submit a candidate for "Ugliest Jaeger" thus far. It is a Military/Thomas Pistor style, all steel, I built it in 85. It has it's second barrel, a straight oct. Getz .62 x 30" and likes 75 gr ff and .600 rb. Fun to shoot and has taken more deer than any other gun I've ever owned, and one 450lb. black bear.

Dropped this little 7 pt. last Nov. at 103 yds.

Sorry, Thornapple but you would not get my vote for "Ugliest Jaeger". By my thinking, it's almost perfect. I say almost, because I haven't held it in my hands. BUT, it looks beautiful to me. Right barrel, furniture and just enough carving to give it a personality. My compliments on a really nice rifle.

 

In October I sold the yeager I had made in 1996. Before I built it I traveled to George Shumways place near York, PA and handled the four originals he had not yet sold from his collection. I can tell you that nothing handles more nimbly than a yeager. So I built mine around a .60 Getz swamped heavy yeager barrel. I used a full size drawing of Shumway's Fruwirth yeager, drawn by Houston Harrison, so I got the dimensions pretty much right. It has been my all time favorite gonne. It has worn three different Getz barrels, sometimes all in one day at a shoot. It now has only it's .62 smoothbore barrel and is owned by a good friend who coveted it for a long time. Other gonnes are great but the yeager is the best.
volatpluvia

Would love to see some photos of it and or some of the original drawing. Here is my original Fruwirth, I love Jaegers and its on my next two own list for sure. Just have to save up enough money to have one built.

 

[bingo1952]

That's a nice double gun you have there! What does it weigh?

 

I'll have to dig it out of the safe and get back to ya on that one. Its light though and balances well with a ton of cast off. Both barrels are swamped if memory serves me right. Top one has a twist to it and bottom is rifled but with no twist. Interesting... :hmm:

 

I'm kinda late to this discussion. Let me submit a candidate for "Ugliest Jaeger" thus far. It is a Military/Thomas Pistor style, all steel, I built it in 85. It has it's second barrel, a straight oct. Getz .62 x 30" and likes 75 gr ff and .600 rb. Fun to shoot and has taken more deer than any other gun I've ever owned, and one 450lb. black bear.

Dropped this little 7 pt. last Nov. at 103 yds.

Sorry, Thornapple but you would not get my vote for "Ugliest Jaeger". By my thinking, it's almost perfect. I say almost, because I haven't held it in my hands. BUT, it looks beautiful to me. Right barrel, furniture and just enough carving to give it a personality. My compliments on a really nice rifle.

Nice Jaeger and nice deer! Those are the kinda pics I like to see!

 

[Bryanbrown]

Straight rifling (sometimes referred to as pumpkin bored) is used in European hunting tradition for "brush hunting" of large game. Remember rifling originally (15th century) had nothing to do with accuracy, it created places for the black powder fouling to go, rotation came later. And still originally had nothing to do with accuracy, it had to do with breaking fewer rifling cutters the rotating cut dumped the cuttings better and jammed less often then straight cutters.

You get 2 "theories" of straight rifling today one that it shoots faster with no spin, or that it loaded faster with no twist. I think the shooting faster "theory" is a perversion of the loads faster as metallic cartridges became more common but the tradition of a smooth rifled barrel for up close was retained in German Hunting arms even today. I used to have a Trilling (three barreled hunting gun) with rifled spiral, rifled straight and smooth bore all in one firearm. I can say the instability of the straight rifling in a modern cartridge arm has very nice energy dump in the target.

This sort of arm was used for big game, bear, boar, dire wolves etc in Europe and Tigers etc hunting abroad. The SC state museum has a Willet's (think Ferguson) pattern screw breech Flintlock like this in their collection as well with straight bore rifling.

Bryan K. Brown www.gunsmithy.com www.jaegerkorps.org
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Alle künst ist umsunst wenn ein Engle auf dem Zundlocke brünst.

 

[Bryanbrown]

Oh and since I forgot to mention in the previous post, magnificent piece!!

Bryan K. Brown www.gunsmithy.com www.jaegerkorps.org
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Alle künst ist umsunst wenn ein Engle auf dem Zundlocke brünst.

 

[THORNAPPLE]

Billy, your Fruwirth is magnificant! what a treasure! At first I thought it was a wender (swivel)but then I saw the left lock with it's interesting downhill offset. Would like to see more pics of the locks.

 

Thanks for the information and compliments but I am only its caretaker for as long as I can.

I'll post some more pics of the locks tomorrow as its way past my bedtime!

Thanks guys and glad your enjoying the rifle as well.

 

[Mincerz]

Here is my Jeager, "little Anayah:




It was build from TOW kit, stocked in walnut, with a .62 cal, 31" Colerain barrel. I use a load of 60-75 GR 3F with .600 PRB

 

[Robby]

My American Jaeger.
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh217/robin101st/IM000675.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh217/robin101st/IM000676-1.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh217/robin101st/IM000677.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh217/robin101st/IM000679.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh217/robin101st/DSCN0021.jpg

 

[romeoh]

Matthias Brentan, vulgo der Bayrische Hiesel

this guy was a poacher and after his friend Sternputz had been catched, he formed a gang and was stealling from the administration. He was famous for the the pour parting his houl with them.

Allow me to correct the name. :hatsoff:
His name was Matthias Klostermayr.
And he and some other poachers in bavarian history became quite famous. A bit like Robin-Hood-storys.
Here´s a link, he already made it into the english Wikipedia:
Link

The german in that book ain´t bavarian. :nono:
It´s a modern book but they used a lot of old german words. Hard to read for a non-native speaker, no doubt about that.
Like you would give me a text full with "thy", "thee" and so on. :hmm:

@Thornapple:
Your Jaeger is far from being the ugliest IMHO. :thumbsup:
To me way to many Jaeger-builders in modern days think a Jaeger-rifle has to be overcrowded with all kinda decoration.
Those pieces existed, no doubt. And many of those survived times and made it into books because of their show-character.
Jaeger means hunter, simple as that. You say your´s has taken more game than any other of your guns? What could fit the bill more than this description?
There were more Jaeger-rifles around looking like your´s than others. They just didn´t survive in such a great number - because they got used a lot.

 

[romeoh]

One of my favorite period pictures. "The Bayerische Hiesel". Now, I still have no clue what this means.

My mother-in-law is German and my wife lived at Munich many years. Translation: simply "The Bavarian House". Bavaraians have their own dialect and "Hiesel" is a very slang word for house. The rest of it is too small to read.

Just didn´t see it the first time when I had a look at this intresting topic. :surrender:
What you mean as the bavarian word for house would be "Heisl"

Hiasl or in sometimes also "Hias" is the short-form for "Matthias" - Matthew.

 

[Stophel]

Ah, that makes more sense.

Kinda like "Stophel"....

:grin:

 

[romeoh]

Yep! :thumbsup:

 

[Stophel]

I've got to get back into practice with my reading German... I've neglected it for a while.