Jag and patch stuck in my deerstalker barrel

[Howie1968]

this is pretty embarressing. had a good day i found powder locally so i bought 2 cans of 2F and 3 cans of 3F. got everything gathered to clean the barell, put in a couple orders to get bullets. where i got the powder the owner put an order in for 1000 cci mag #11 caps got them for 60.00 all was going good until i got the range rod i bought it was a heavy brass one i picked up on cleaance a month or so ago something didnt feel right when i attatched the jag figured ifit came undone id just screw the ram rod back in pull it out. Wrong!!! as i pulled up the jag and patch came off lodged in there. i didnt have a worm accesory no nipple wrench no caps. first lesson leanred dont put a dry patch down the bore on an iffy jag. i tried fishing it out with a size 10panfish hook with 20 lb test line didnt work got my air rifle cleaning rod and jag didnt work. so i came in here and just now ordered a worm accesory and nipple wrench gonna put it up for a few days until the stuff comes in and go fishing tomorrow

 

[Gene L]

Take a pair of needle-nose pliers and remove the nipple and dribble in two or three grains of powder and shoot it out once your powder arrives. But you'll need at a minimum caps and powder. A nipple wrench would be great but small vise grips will work.

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

Don't you have to seat the jag prior to firing it?

 

[pa woods roamer]

Yes, after putting in some Powder, definitely seat the Jag on the Powder !!

 

[Howie1968]

Thanks men, ive got the poder its gonna be a couple weeks before the caps come in. will the brass jack hurt the bore?

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

Brass is softer than steel. Is the bore clean of powder fowling? It may be less of a hassle to take it to a gunsmith that you trust?

 

[jethro224]

If you know a mechanic ask him to blow it out with his air compressor. Be sure the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction.

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

I always wondered about that...more specifically, a car wash tire air machine?

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

I would also recommend that you pick up a copy of this book as it will teach you how to build your own rifle, and then you can just remove the barrel on the rifle you built and unscrew your breech plug to remove stuck jags:
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/303/1/BOOK-GGC

 

[jethro224]

I always wondered about that...more specifically, a car wash tire air machine?

No. Not a car wash tire air pump. A real air compressor with a rubber-tipped blowgun attached. Remove the nipple and hold the rubber-tipped blowgun tightly in the hole and squeeze the handle to blow out the stuck jag or a dryball, or an un-fired load.
The tire-filling end on a car wash compressor won't work. It's rare enough to find one that will actually fill a tire. :haha:

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

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The tire-filling end on a car wash compressor won't work.

You sure about that? You wouldn't even have to remove the nipple? :hmm:

Never tried it myself, it just seems like it would work, it would probably bugger up your nipple though...

 

[SgtErv]

Id highly recommend a CO2 Discharger for this. They are good to have just starting out. It saved me a lot of hassle when I was learning to shoot MLs. This exact thing happened to me and was remedied with one

 

[Gene L]

Don't you have to seat the jag prior to firing it?

Yes, I would. But with 2-3 gr of powder, I doubt it would matter a whole lot. But I could be wrong.

Just enough to move the jag.

 

[Obi-Wan Cannoli]

Do you think one of those foot pumps would generate enough pressure?

 

[Zonie]

Do you think one of those foot pumps would generate enough pressure?

It might work but I think it is not likely.

Foot powered air pumps are doing good to make 80 psi of pressure.

In a .50 caliber bore that would push against the stuck jag with about 16 pounds of force.

IMO, if someone wanted to try compressed air a trip to the local filling station to use their air supply would be easier than stomping on an air pump.

Those little CO2 powered things to clear stuck balls work better because the CO2 cartridge is pressurized with about 800 psi pressure. That would apply about 160 pound force to the ball/jag.

I don't have any proof but IMO 1-5 grains of black powder dribbled into the breech wouldn't have enough power to damage the barrel even if the ball or jag was not rammed down to the bottom of the bore.

Now, 8 or more grains of powder might do some damage to the bore but a man could get old and weary before he managed to work that much powder into the breech.

Speaking of this, as many know, one of the best ways to make a stuck jag is to ram it dry into a bore.
For that reason, I think Howie should spray a super good shot of oil down the bore and let it soak into the patch and then try threading the ramrod back onto the jag.

There is a possibility the threads will engage well enough to remove a well oiled patch/jag without further futzing.

 

[Howie1968]

zonie , ill try that. some times in life you have to be humbled in order to go forward. sometimes you have to accept the good with the bad. thank god no one got injured. im sure i let excitement get the best of me. its a lesson that when messing with weaponry you should be focused and pay attention. one og the cardinal rules of owning black powder arems

 

[CTShooter]

I got the jag stuck with a patch early on, didn't come off the rod, just couldn't get a good grip on it.

Poured some 3-1 down the barrel, let it sit for an hour, it came right out.

 

[kurts]

used a 8/32 jag in a 10/32 rod, try to thread 8/32 rod on the jag and pull it out, put some oil down the barrel first to wet the patch.

 

[dwr]

Welcome to the world of ML experience, Howie...We've all been there :thumbsup:

 

[Howie1968]

Think what happened was once i seated it the extra patch material is over the threads, got a worm tool coming, think im done messing with it for awhile its seated all the way im gonna leave it be until the the caps or tool comes in thanks for everyones help