Jim Bridger Hawken- my copy

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Here is what it looks like now. I stained the light areas with Laurel Mountain Forge Lancaster Maple stain. Have shot the rifle maybe 80 to 100 times so far. It is a fun rifle to use, because I don't have to worry about dinging it up! For those of you who want new looking rifles, not everyone does. Carl Walker of the GRRW built a Hawken similar to this one for Robert Redford ( who portrayed "Jeremiah Johnson", I think it was). The story I have, and I think it is true, is that Redford didn't like that new looking rifle and tied a rope to it and dragged it down a gravel road behind his pickup. Other builders who were at GRRW at that time tell about taking turns hitting the rifle with various tools to ding it up. This is a target I shot to adjust the sights. 100 grains of Goex 2F, .520 balls at about 1700 fps. I didn't hold the vertical well enough, looks like two groups. The buckhorn rear sight is not the best for group shooting.
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Now I really like that. The light area were too light IMHO. That looks fantastic. I never truly built a distressed rifle although on my last Hog rifle I put file marks on the barrel and left forging hammer marks on the trigger guard and buttstock. I like the look of a well used and not abused rifle. The only way I could get a new one to look like that is to quit my job and live in the outdoors with it 24 hours a day. :rotf:

Once again, Great Work!
Ross :bow:
 
ohio ramrod said:
Each of us has their own opinions as to what is "right" and what is "wrong". I say let the builder be the one to determine what he wants. To me it looks like he spent a long time getting what he wanted and I admire his work! :hmm:
I TOTALLY AGREE with Ohio RR..
Herb, you have built some FANTASTIC Hawken rifles!I think your JB Hawken VERY nice and I bet VERY time consuming....I really like the way she turned out! I wish I had the extra coin.. I'd have you build me one! Thanks for the VERY interesting post!
 
Herb,
I want to commend you on this rifle. The last photo looks very good, you really knocked the raw edge of it and I think it turned out beautifully.

As far as aging goes, anyone who has browned a barrel on most guns especially Hawken rifles is guilty of the sin of aging.

It's my understanding that Hawken rifles had the following finish when new.

deep satin black rust blued barrels,under rib and trigger guard.

case colored lock and butt plate and a case colored nosecap of iron or poured pewter

the triggers may have been straw colors, the screws fire blued

the stock most likely a brown oil varnish but maybe not dark brown

So a new Hawken was a sight to behold and a mixture of color. I think you have done a fine job in capturing the look of a newer Hawken with your other rifles. You know your stuff.

I think aging or at least the study of it will only enrich a gunmaker's skill. If you know how a gun ages and understand it. It can give you much more insight on what the gun looked like new and how to replicate that. We study every detail of theses rifles but do we pay enough attention to how they age?

Let's look at the Hawken again. Most think and maybe even demand that a Hawken have dark brown stock, grey locks and a brown barrel. What they base this on is 170 year old originals.

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This is my opinion on what's going on here with the Bridger Hawken.

Note that the top of the barrel is greyed but that on the side flat down, especially in front of the nose cap is brown. The rust blue has turned brown but the top is gray from the finish being worn away.

Note that the lock is gray from losing it's case colors over time and has even started to turn brown in areas. Same for the TG.

By far the most striking feature of that rifle is the the stock finish. It appears to be almost rubbed away. Lets take a closer look though. To me it actually looks like the forestock has finish.

It's my opinion that that honey color may actually be closer to the the original finish and that the dark brown areas may be from oxidation of the varnish.
Sure, some of the stock finish is rubbed away but not as much as you would think IMHO.
In it's period of use, the handling may have kept the oxidation from forming. Another thing is look at the snail. It's obvious that this rifle has seen heavy use but it was well cared for. There is no corrosion like you see on some guns and rifles where the drum, breech, hammer, stock and top of the lock are eaten away or heavily pitted. Someone "Bridger" kept this rifle clean probably by wiping that area down in it's period of use and that may explain the lack of oxidation on the lock, barrel and forestock.


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I think what may may have hurt you a little here is going by the B W photos. In Black and white it does look like the finish is gone.

In doing this kind of aging I like to replicate the process. I've done this to a few "family guns" that were nearly ruined by poor refinish attempts.

I would have considered that honey yellow the base coat. I would have finished the whole stock in that honey yellow since I consider that the original underlying finish.
I then would have applied the bark brown oxidation maybe even with a little black towards the butt. I might have used flat brown with a little flat black paint for this.
I then would have rubbed that away revealing the yellow and maybe some of the wood at the top the comb, wrist and edges of the lock panels. When satisfied I would have coated and polished the stock with a good paste wax.
That's the way I would have done it.


I do think it turned our beautiful.
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Herb, You know far more about theses rifles than I. If I said anything that's not true about the original finish please correct me.
 
Thanks for your comments, the last few posters. What I know about this rifle I learned from the people at GRRW who had it for several years. They told me details of its construction and finish that guided me. Doc White said the Bridger had no stain but was varnished black. He said the Bridger barrel was browned. He said the nose cap had been silver plated or case hardened, but that was worn off. The butt plate, lock and tang were case hardened. He said he has handled 32 original Hawkens and shot three of them, including the Bridger at the Fort Bridger Rendezvous, where I am heading in an hour or so.
 
The oil applied really softend it up!. :thumbsup:
Herb give those short time top bunkers a run for thier money..Shoot straight...dan
 
Just got back from Fort Bridger where I got 8 pounds of Olde Enynsford 3F, 2F and 1 1/2F from Craig Kirkland of Bear River Powders. Now I can complete my powder comparison shooting. I did not shoot there, do enough of that on my own. I did offer the Bridger Hawken to them for next year's rifle raffle, will discuss this with the Board in December when they do next year's budget. Oh, yes, I did rub some buffalo fat into the stock from a buffalo burger I had for lunch.
 
Herb said:
Oh, yes, I did rub some buffalo fat into the stock from a buffalo burger I had for lunch.

Don't say things like that when I have a mouthful! Geez... :rotf:

Oughta rain on the critics' parade, for sure. :hatsoff:
 
Alright, now you got me thinking of a Hawken rifle build. Help, is there no cure for this rifle building sickness/hobby/obsession? I can't help myself. :surrender:
 
I shot the Olde Eynsford 2F with .530 Hornady balls and .018/.008 crush linen patches. Yes, they compress that much, thicker patches were too hard to seat. At 100 yards, good conditions and no shots called out. Average was 1794 fps with 28 spread. Had a damp cleaning patch on the seating jag. All patches were good. Cleaned the bore after the first group. The bottom target was the same but with 100 grains w/m of O.E. 1 1/2F. The first patch holed, but the next five were good and averaged 1735 fps with a spread of 25. This load wants to shoot accurately.
To date, 18 shots in this rifle of O.E. 3F averaged 1858 fps, 10 of O.E. 2F averaged 1810 fps and 21 of O.E. 1 1/2F averaged 1761 fps, each powder with its own 100 grain weight calibrated measure. Wanted to enlarge the photo, but I can't get a vertical photo through PhotoBucket.
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Great work in my opinion.And there is no shortage of opinions posted here.hah.That's the chance you take when you post your work.
you are a great gunn builder without doubt.The distressed finish is an art form all it's own.I've been making distreessed furniture for five years from reclaimed barn wood.there are alot of people looking for this type of finish onb all sortsof things.Your last picture of the final finish looks great in my opinion.what is it about this style gun.The Hawken model just seems to have a special attraction .I only hope to make a gun half that nice sometime.Keep up the good work and stretching the design/finish .Have fun with it.
 
Herb said:
Just got back from Fort Bridger where I got 8 pounds of Olde Enynsford 3F, 2F and 1 1/2F from Craig Kirkland of Bear River Powders.

I was there also and I bought a couple pounds of 4F GOEX for the pan from him. All I saw was GOEX. Was the Olde Enynsford a secret stash? Of course everything was covered up so it was hard to tell.
 
I was at Craig's tent (Bear River Powder) when he opened for business Friday. He uncovered his steel tank with his black powder in it, and I bought the first Olde Eynsford powder he sold at Bridger. Everything is under cover, I guess you had to ask for it. I got 3F, 2F and 1 1/2F, from 25 pound cases of each. By the way, I just got back from Montana and Idaho and visited my son who works at the Site out of Idaho Falls. You know what that is.
 
Herb said:
I was at Craig's tent (Bear River Powder) when he opened for business Friday. He uncovered his steel tank with his black powder in it, and I bought the first Olde Eynsford powder he sold at Bridger. Everything is under cover, I guess you had to ask for it. I got 3F, 2F and 1 1/2F, from 25 pound cases of each. By the way, I just got back from Montana and Idaho and visited my son who works at the Site out of Idaho Falls. You know what that is.

Sure do Herb. I used to work there and my wife still does. I live in Mackay.
 
Loved your Bridger build. As for the wear patina, it is a work of art in itself. Takes a lot of study and attention to the smallest detail to carry art of this caliber to a success. I have read many of the previous posts and am surprised at some of the negative comments. When I rode to Sturges in 92,95, and 2000, I always looked for the groadest rat bike I could find at the run, and there were lots of em. Rat bike, (motorcycle made to look as abused, hard ridden, rusty, oil leaken,piece of junk on the road). The motor and running gear on a rat bike is usually in top form and is sometimes the best maintained and fastest bike at the run. That is the whole purpose of a rat bike. They are works of rolling art in themselves
 
All your rifles are GREAT. I would be happy to hang any of them on my wall and carry them in the woods.
 
Thanks, Jay. There are more photos of this rifle in the post "Jim Bridger Hawken in Helena Museum".
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Herb said:
Just got back from Fort Bridger where I got 8 pounds of Olde Enynsford 3F, 2F and 1 1/2F from Craig Kirkland of Bear River Powders. Now I can complete my powder comparison shooting. I did not shoot there, do enough of that on my own. I did offer the Bridger Hawken to them for next year's rifle raffle, will discuss this with the Board in December when they do next year's budget. Oh, yes, I did rub some buffalo fat into the stock from a buffalo burger I had for lunch.


Please let me know if they raffle one of your Bridger Hawken's I would love to have one:)
 
Herb said:
Don't know what happened here or how to delete the extras. I previewed this, which took about a minute and a half, then hit "add post" and this took 13 minutes to come up, in duplicates. If a moderator can delete the duplicates, please do.

SHAZAAM! done!
 
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