Jim Chambers on Leather vs. Lead Flint Wraps

[roundball]

Mr.Chambers,
Thank you for the advice "disclaimer" abought useing lead with your locks.I am sure I will stay with traditions and pedersoli from here on out.

Skunkskinner, :thumbsup:

What possible point is there in wasting both our time telling me this? I don't care what locks you use...you need to Email your comments to Jim Chambers and tell him how you feel about his locks, not me.
:thumbsup:

 

[skunkskinner]

You asked Mr. Chambers for some clarification and assistance on this matter.He gave you his answer,Then you put it on THIS forum.

In my reply I thanked Mr.Chambers not you.

This is a very good forum,he might just be reading some of it.

Have a good day

 

WHOA!!! I use Chambers locks almost exclusively. They are top notch and the warranty is great. Jim is a fine fella and he has his own opinions. Some of his opinions I don't agree with but he is none the less a fine fella and he still makes the best dad burn locks out there for muzzleloading guns and rifles ,...bar none. To compare his locks to the ones you are using is ludicrous.

 

[Dave K]

What do the manufactures of Traditions or Pedersoli say about any of this? I have some locks that are not Chambers, but all my locks( I don't have any military guns) including my Chambers (my favorite) will use leather to hold the flint. My Pedersoli, came with a lead flint holder, but it could never hold the flint tight and needed to be snugged after several shots. Of course it never threw the consistent sparks into the pan either, as my favorite locks do. To me, it is not the amount of sparks, but that any spark created, goes where it is needed. I have one lock that doesn't throw allot of sparks, but every spark goes to the pan and lights her off. This lock has hit over 300+ shots on one flint, which is 10X greater than mine non-favorite locks.

If you are getting more sparks from a lead wrapped flint, is it because of the weight of the cock or the tightness of the flint? Probably the weight.

Cooner.....IMHO I agree 100% about the Chambers lock quality. I only have other brands in some guns, because he doesn't make the style needed for a SxS shotgun.

 

[roundball]

What do the manufactures of Traditions or Pedersoli say about any of this? I have some locks that are not Chambers, but all my locks( I don't have any military guns) including my Chambers (my favorite) will use leather to hold the flint. My Pedersoli, came with a lead flint holder, but it could never hold the flint tight and needed to be snugged after several shots. Of course it never threw the consistent sparks into the pan either, as my favorite locks do. To me, it is not the amount of sparks, but that any spark created, goes where it is needed. I have one lock that doesn't throw allot of sparks, but every spark goes to the pan and lights her off. This lock has hit over 300+ shots on one flint, which is 10X greater than mine non-favorite locks.

If you are getting more sparks from a lead wrapped flint, is it because of the weight of the cock or the tightness of the flint? Probably the weight.

Cooner.....IMHO I agree 100% about the Chambers lock quality. I only have other brands in some guns, because he doesn't make the style needed for a SxS shotgun.

Correct...if a lead wrap actually improves the ignitin of a lock then there's a problem with that lock and the heavier lead is simply compensating for it.

 

[roundball]

WHOA!!! I use Chambers locks almost exclusively. They are top notch and the warranty is great. Jim is a fine fella and he has his own opinions. Some of his opinions I don't agree with but he is none the less a fine fella and he still makes the best dad burn locks out there for muzzleloading guns and rifles ,...bar none. To compare his locks to the ones you are using is ludicrous.

Correct

 

[Runner]

There is no extra weight involved. My lead wrap weighs about what a penny does. I think the bark tanned leather may actually be heavier than the lead I use in my gun.
The lead stops the cock from bouncing and causing wash boarding on the frizzen. It produces hotter more numerous sparks in my lock. There is no comparison. Hot bouncing sparks right in the pan versus scattered sparks no where near as hot.
Now, why is it that you are suddenly attempting to become the flint police?
This should give you something to really complain about. A Sub flintlock is being developed that will reliably ignite Pyrodex and the subs. It will use a rolling drum to mostly close the pan and to focus the flash so that a hotter impulse is provided to ignite the subs. Black will no longer be required for flintlocks. In the places where that is a problem, the new locks should be welcomed with open arms. I can't wait to hear the howl when they appear on the market and people actually start to use them!

 

[paulvallandigham]

Ah, come on Runner. Do you really expect Roundball to actually use a scale and weight the wraps? Or to actually use that chronograph of his ever? He might learn something, and worse than that, he might actually have to think for himself!! :shocked2:

After all, he has introduced us to the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, has declared the Second Coming, and it is---- Jim Chambers!

You should be so much more humble to Saint Roundball. :bow: :bow: :bow:

 

[Claude Mathis]

There are times when these discussions embarrass me. :shake: