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What about the "Skinner Express Sights" ? They are adjustable.
YES! Their flat bottom ones made for the Marlin & Henry lever guns easily mount on an Octagon barrel with a simple D & T. Placing the "peep" about two inches forward of the nipple with a large aperture works very well. XS Sights makes a peep specifically for the Lyman Great Plains that screws on using the factory D & T holes in the barrel just forward of the nipple. It can be adapted to other barrels as well. There is absolutely no reason a peep sight "must" be mounted on the tang, IMHO. They work & look much better on a ML rifle if mounted on the barrel. I have a shooting buddy that has the Lyman XS Sight mounted about 6" forward of the nipple with the XS white line blade front & claims it is the best sight he has looked through on a ML. Everybody has a preference, but don't be afraid to try a barrel mounted peep. It might "open your eyes", so to speak.
 
For barrel mounting, I have used the Marbles sight on several of my muzzies, It is adjustable for windage (by drifting) and has an elevator for elevation. After just a bit of testing I have found which notches to use for 50-100 and 200.
These are available in a short and a long shank version.
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Do you have blade or bead front sights on these guns? I'm liking the way these look and I like how the guys are talking good about them as well.
 
My 'preconceived notions' are based upon 65 years of experience!!
Then you spent way too many years doing the same thing the same way..........
I have only been shooting and hunting for 60 years -
OR - maybe you just have an eyeball focal length thingy not working good for you...
Just because we are older than dirt doesn't automatically make us wise....
 
My 'preconceived notions' are based upon 65 years of experience!!
Got me. Old man had me shooting only 62 years ago. Feel like a rookie.

Question for you. In your vast experience have you ever tried to use a mid barrel mounted (call it a scout sight position) ghost ring sight?
 
I would agree that peeps can be effective mounted further up the barrel. That said, all of our eyes are different and a forward mounted peep may not work too well for some if mounted far away from the eye. I've personally tried two different types mounted up the barrel, one being the adjustable one shown in this thread and a fixed one sold by ToTW that looks very traditional. For some reason, my eyes don't seem to do well with a peep being far up the barrel...open sights with the notch cut wide enough so I can see daylight on each side actually work better for me up there. So I mount peeps back around the tang and I use a .125 diameter hole size in the aperture which works from a 1/2 hour before sunrise to a 1/2 hour after sunset....our legal shooting hours in MN.

I have mounted Johnson peeps on numerous rifles and really like them. Here's one I mounted on a Flint Hawken I built where I added a thin dovetail to it. Because of having a hooked breach, it HAD to be mounted far enough forward so I could pivot/lift the barrel up to remove it. This one worked out VERY well mounted in this position.

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Here's the view through the peep with the camera about where the eye would be when shooting.

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Here are two 4-shot 50 yards groups taken while I was at the stage of final sight adjustments. For me...I'll take them.

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Here's the brass version mounted on a Jaeger I built. This is the position I personally prefer. A tip on the brass version: If mounted with a bit of overhang over the curve of the tang, you can drill and thread a hole right behind the aperture mounting on the base and insert a small set screw that if tightened down a bit will actually bend the base up a little for some fine vertical sight adjustment. Just a warning that the base is not a "spring" so it won't naturally go back down if the screw is then backed off. Unfortunately, I don't have a picture of that possible modification.

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Again, camera is at the position the eye would be at.

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Target results at 75 yards. Funny...that hole marked "not mine" was a modern rifle guy who was at the range that day and came over to look at my flintlock. I asked him if he wanted to shoot it. That was his first shot EVER with a muzzleloader of any kind at 75 yards (bench rested, of course). He was pretty excited.

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Hopefully these pictures give those who might want to give the Johnson peep a try a view of what it looks like when sighting through it at different distances from the eye. Results can be the same either way.
 
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For a quick fix and not to disrupt hunting, I had a friend drill and tap my Deerslayer for the Johnson Peep.
Range trip showed it to be dead on left and right but about eight inches low.
I drilled a hole and tapped a set screw in place for elevation.
Seems to be working great so far, we will see how it does way down the road.
I got it dead on at 60 yards which is as good as my old eyes will do and it looks so much cleaner than the big old clunky Lyman peep I was using!
I don't have a drill press and free handed drilling the hole. I know it is not perfect but I can live with it!
 

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Obviously you have never used one. Your preconceived notions evidently allow you to ridicule the choices others may make.

Used those that were set up correctly just 60 years! A correct pair of GLASSES would solve most of the problems by older shooters trying to use barrel sights....instead of a morphodyke arrangement!!
 
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