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hatter78

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I am new to the black powder shooting. I have two revolvers and a musket. I want to build my own rifle and I was looking at buying the Traditions Kentucky Rifle Kit from Dixiegunworks.

My question, what do I need to get started for example tools, etc.

Are there any books that can help as well

Thanks for any help :v
 
thank you for moving my post ...I forgot that there was this section!!

So is it safe to assume that most of the work will be done for me on this gun kit?

Another question what are inlays???
 
I hope I don't make you mad but don't rush in and buy a cheep kit. first gut your self a good work bench and vice and lots of books on building muzzloading rifles. The books will tell you what tools you need to buy and what enlays are. Study frist and save your money. The men that have been building for 30 years and more make it look simple but trust me it is not. And buying a cheep kit is a wast of money. I hope this will help you read read read then start building but start small and with good parts.
Ephraim :thumbsup:
 
Hi hatter78. :)

Not knowing your background in wood and metal working I'll assume you have a general, but not a full knowledge of them.

There are two different kinds of kits.
The ones like you mentioned made by Traditions and the "box of parts" "kits" supplied by places like Track of the Wolf, Chambers and Pecatonica River.

The first kind are basically factory guns which were semi-finished by the factory leaving the final fitting of some parts, sanding the wood to match the metal parts, some finishing on the metal parts and applying the finish to the wood.

These kits could be assembled with not much more than a bunch of sandpaper, some screw drivers, perhaps some alcohol based wood stain and a finish coating like boiled linseed oil.

Most likely the end result would look pretty good if you take your time.
With a little extra effort you can make some modifications that will make the gun more personal.

Of course, things don't always go as smoothly as one would like so a few other tools may come in very handy, even for building a semi-finished Factory kit.

The first thing I would recommend is a good Hobby knife like an Exacto. They make two sizes and I recommend the larger one that takes a #2 pointed blade. These are great for making small cuts to get the lock, trigger guard etc fitted because sometimes small bits of wood need to be removed.

A 1/4 inch wide wood chisel is always handy. Get the best that the store has. Cheap poorly made imports are never a good buy.

A 10 inch flat mill file is sometimes needed to adjust metal parts and to remove some of the cast surfaces that are sometimes on the metal parts supplied.

Sandpaper isn't just sandpaper. There are sandpapers made for working on wood and sandpapers made for working on metal.

Of the woodworking sandpaper I like the red colored "garnet" paper better than the white "flint" or "Aluminum Oxide". It seems to last longer and cut better.

You should have some 80, 120, 180 and 220 grit woodworking sandpaper. If you can't find all of these that's ok. There is some overlap in what each of these can do.

Of the metal working sandpaper I much prefer the black "wet/dry" silicon carbide to any of the emory papers. The silicone carbide is much harder and lasts far longer.

You should look for 120 or 150 grit, 220 grit and 320 grit paper. When you are applying the finishing coats of oils to the wood you might also want to get a sheet of 600 or 1200 grit but remember, these fine grits are really only good for the final light sanding needed on the finishes.

As for your selection of a Traditions from Dixie, you may want to shop around a bit.
Dixie Gunworks is a wonderful place with lots of things avaiable but their prices are often more expensive than other suppliers.

Don't forget to look at the Lyman Kits.
They are a little more expensive but their quality (over Traditions) is usually better.
I think Thompson Center is still making kits too so you might want to try to find one for comparison.
 
It would help us if you told us what kind of gun you are wanting to build( rifle, pistol, smoothbore) what style of gun you want( half-stock, full stock) School of stock design, what caliber, or gauge, and what your intended use for the gun will be. TVM puts together some very good "kits", and you can't beat the Jim Chamber's kits, really, for the money. You are more limited if you are looking for flintlock " kits" than you will be if you are looking for percussion "kits". And Tip Curtiss has a wonderful supply of guns in all states of completion that allows you to finish them up based on your level of skill.

If you can hold off until the Spring Shoot of the NMLRA at Friendship in June, you can visit commercial row and get a much better idea of what is available.
 
Other than the above mentioned sources, just do a Google search for "muzzle loading rifle kits" and you should come up with several more.
 
Sorry I am looking for a rifle, 54-58 cal, full stock or half, I am just looking for something that is not super expensive. I only mentioned the Traditions because it was a cheap beginner, I am not a hunter more of a target shooter really. I just wanted something decently priced that I can learn on.
 
And what is "NMLRA at Friendship in June, you can visit commercial row" you are talking about. :confused:
 
The NMLRA is the National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association.
In June they hold their big championship shoot and vendors selling all kinds of muzzleloading stuff will be there.
They are in Friendship, Indiana.

For a guy in Texas that might be a bit far to drive for a kit though. :grin:

Getting back to simple kits, Traditions who imports their guns and kits from Spain are good basic reliable guns.
Their stocks are not made from Walnut and will probably require staining.
These, as you noted are among the most inexpensive kits around.

Lyman kits are made in Italy and their quality is better than the Traditions guns. The price is usually higher too.
Lyman kits are usually stocked in European Walnut and seldom require staining. Many consider the Walnut easier to work than the wood Traditions uses.

Pedersoli kits are made in Italy and are among the better kits available. Their prices are very high though.

Mid South usually has some good prices. Here's a link. http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/

You already know about Dixie but here's a link: http://www.dixiegunworks.com/

Log Cabin in Lodi is an excellent supplier http://www.logcabinonline.com/index1.html

Our forum has a Links area that lists dozens of suppliers and if you have the time you might nose around there and see what you can find.
LINK: http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/222426/#Suppliers

PS: As you say you are mainly interested in paper punching you might want to consider a .50 caliber gun as well as the bigger bored guns you mentioned.
Usually the balls and patches are easier to find and the prices are sometimes a little less.
They require a little less powder and the kick is a little softer.
A .50 caliber muzzleloader is easily capable of taking down a deer if the urge to hunt ever comes up.
 
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Evan "in the white gun" is bascially a step above a kit. Theres a lot more to finishin one of those up than you think.
Learned that by experience, and not listin the people who knew what they were talkin' about.
Highlander
 
Since you live in Texas, you might contact the Texas Muzzle Loading Rifle Association, and arrange to drive down to Brady, Texas for their annual shoot. I believe its in June( June 9-14), also. There are venders there, I am told. We have several Texas members here on the forum, including a couple from the Dallas- Ft. Worth area. I believe the Texas association has their own website, so google the name to get contact information.

If that doesn't work, contact John Hinnant, a member here, by looking him up here under the " Members" list. Click on his name when you find it, and you will get his personal information. Then send him a Private Topic message asking for information about the shoots held in Texas.

The National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association( NMLRA) holds annual shooting events all through the year at its club headquarters and range facilities in SE Indiana. Its a mecca for MLers. There is both a Spring and Fall National shoot held there, the same weeks in June and September. The shoots begin on the second Saturday in the month, and continue for 8 days, concluding on the following Sunday. Only the dates change from year to year.

You can get more information on the NMLRA by going to the "Links" section on the forum index, including aerial pictures of the grounds.

If all you are wanting to do is punch paper, you might better consider a .36,.40, or .45 caliber rifle, which will use much less powder, much less lead, are very accurate caliber rifles, but don't recoil like the larger caliber .54 and .58 guns will. I would choose a .40 or .45 caliber rifle for shooting in Texas, as you almost never have a day there that isn't windy. If you intend to shoot out to 100 yds, the extra weight of the ball will help keep you on target.

For sheer joy of shooting, however, you have to go some to beat the little .36 caliber guns. They are good out to 50-75 yards for hunting varmints, too. Pick the caliber of your gun for the kind of shooting you want to do. You will be much happier with the choice.
 
hatter78 said:
Sorry I am looking for a rifle, 54-58 cal, full stock or half, I am just looking for something that is not super expensive. I only mentioned the Traditions because it was a cheap beginner, I am not a hunter more of a target shooter really. I just wanted something decently priced that I can learn on.
i didnt see that anyone suggested looking at the Lyman GPR. they make kits in .50 and .54 cal, both in flintlock and percussion. easy to build(good place to start) and not expensive. with a little imagination, you can personalize them to suit what you think it should look like.


one of mine
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:applause: Welcome to TMF I'm sure you will be able to get more information here than you asked for but it's mostly all good! If'n ya stumble somebody will pick up the pieces. :)
Dusty :wink:
 

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