This is true. I had an order in with him for a SMR kit quoted at a 1 month wait. That turned into 4 months so I was forced to cancel the order due to a lot of upcoming work.
I’m super happy for his success but the demand is overtaking him.
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This is true. I had an order in with him for a SMR kit quoted at a 1 month wait. That turned into 4 months so I was forced to cancel the order due to a lot of upcoming work.
I’m super happy for his success but the demand is overtaking him.
I'm sure COVID is not helping either. Very difficult times for business.
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smoothshooter
50 Cal.
smoothshooter
50 Cal.
I don’t think there is a market for a “ few thousand “.
The numbers of us who like traditional muzzleloaders is rapidly shrinking as we die off.
The numbers of us who would pay in the neighborhood of a thousand dollars for one is smaller still.
Bob McBride
54 Cal.
Tens of thousands of thousand dollar muzzleloaders sold every year before Jim started making them better in every respect for the same money. Thousands.
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smoothshooter
50 Cal.
Not Indian trade guns.
And that is not a slam against his superlative kits, or smoothbore trade guns. I may order one myself when He gets production going.
Bob McBride
54 Cal.
Oh, I see what your saying. The trade gun market. True enough. I was speaking more generally. I am interested to see how it goes, but I am with RP, I wish he’d decided on a proper English Fowling Piece.
I am with RP and Bob.
Personally want a nice fowler. I also want a Kibler.
But not a trade gun of any sort.
Will need to weigh up Caywood, Dunlap, Mike Brooks and Chambers
Personally want a nice fowler. I also want a Kibler.
But not a trade gun of any sort.
Will need to weigh up Caywood, Dunlap, Mike Brooks and Chambers
smoothshooter
50 Cal.
Same here.
Too small for a fowler or 'trade gun'. .60 to .68 caliber is more appropriate.
If you get the book, Of Sorts for Provincials by Jim Mullins and look at the Wilson "trade gun" we are discussing it is labeled as a "fowling gun' on pp. 53- 56, as is the Bumford fowler on pp. 49-52. The "Officer's fusil by Barbar that follows is also very similar except for the larger, .68 caliber. All three are far more sophisticated than the actual Indian trade gun on pp. 61-64. With some work i.e. a thumb piece, modified triggerguard, and sideplate; and carving you could create a period piece like any of them.
Why do you think Jim and his wife Kat (?) are studying the matter. Cost of upscaling production vs. the potential demand. Also, how many more SMR's and Colonials can they sell? I think a fowler and possibly a pistol kit would bring in repeat customers.
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I own an original English fusil/ trade gun I would be happy to loan them, if I could get a production kit. It would have to be modified for the modified Colonial lock Jim wants to use; however.
Sorry but that is not correct. Many (most?) trade guns were in the .54-.58 range.
smoothshooter
50 Cal.
True statement.
Hi guys. I just thought I would give a little update on the fowling piece kit project as well as business in general.
This past year has been very good for us. We are very busy trying to get all orders filled in a timely manner but realize we still have a ways to go until we get where we would like. We're taking steps to control the production of more and more parts. This will allow us to hopefully get to a point where virtually all products are stocked. We will have a great deal of money in inventory, but we feel it will be worth it. In the past year, we've moved all lock production "in house" as well as much of the barrel making process. Labor has been a difficulty and we're happy to announce we've hired a new production supervisor who will be starting very soon. This will allow more of my time to be devoted towards new projects. Sales continue to grow by leaps and bounds each year and we're thankful for all who have supported us. We have big plans for our business and are working hard to achieve them.
We have done some work on the new fowling piece project. It's not as far along as we had hoped, but we'll get there. I understand there are a lot of different preferences as to styles and designs. We may end up offering a couple of different options. A nice quality trade gun such as the Wilson I mentioned will be offered first. We've purchased a good original example to reference during this development. My personal preference tends to lean towards high-end London made fowling pieces, but other grades have a lot of merit as well. Especially when viewed in the context of their role in this country. That aside, trade guns can have great form, design, and aesthetic appeal on their own. Trust me, what we offer will be nice and no corners will be cut!
Thanks again for all the support. We would have never guessed our business would have become what it is so fast. If you have any questions, for me just ask.
All the best,
Jim
This past year has been very good for us. We are very busy trying to get all orders filled in a timely manner but realize we still have a ways to go until we get where we would like. We're taking steps to control the production of more and more parts. This will allow us to hopefully get to a point where virtually all products are stocked. We will have a great deal of money in inventory, but we feel it will be worth it. In the past year, we've moved all lock production "in house" as well as much of the barrel making process. Labor has been a difficulty and we're happy to announce we've hired a new production supervisor who will be starting very soon. This will allow more of my time to be devoted towards new projects. Sales continue to grow by leaps and bounds each year and we're thankful for all who have supported us. We have big plans for our business and are working hard to achieve them.
We have done some work on the new fowling piece project. It's not as far along as we had hoped, but we'll get there. I understand there are a lot of different preferences as to styles and designs. We may end up offering a couple of different options. A nice quality trade gun such as the Wilson I mentioned will be offered first. We've purchased a good original example to reference during this development. My personal preference tends to lean towards high-end London made fowling pieces, but other grades have a lot of merit as well. Especially when viewed in the context of their role in this country. That aside, trade guns can have great form, design, and aesthetic appeal on their own. Trust me, what we offer will be nice and no corners will be cut!
Thanks again for all the support. We would have never guessed our business would have become what it is so fast. If you have any questions, for me just ask.
All the best,
Jim
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Thank you very much Jim for the products currently offered. I have just ordered my 4th kit and look forward to your next offering.
I ordered one in June with a 2 month wait. I'm still waiting. Green Mountain had problems with their steel suppliers during the Covid thing. That set Jim back a lot.
Oh I see. Mine was back when he used Rice.
thanks for the update jim . please hurry--- a lot of us are not spike horns anymore
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