Kibler Hawken update,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[reddogge]

My Ithaca Hawken in .50 weighs 9#. .50 was all it was offered in but it would be lighter in .54.

 

[longcruise]

I believe he said around 8.5 lbs, that is doable.

That's about a full pound lighter than my 54 GPR.

 

[Rudyard]

My pet bush rifle runs a whole 5 pounds a 50 cal next is 6 pounds or so.a two grouve 24 bore its cap' the 50 cal is flint Gravity isn't very for giving to old bones .
Rudyards view

 

[Patched]

When I finish the scratch build Hawken I’m working on for this winter’s gun project…I plan on building the world’s first ever AR Hawken…1:8 twist barrel, rifle length gas port, low copper base frond sight (keeping things authentic) mlok barrel keys for looks…and a mock scalp dangling from a scroll trigger guard….gonna feed it ball ammo too…I’ll keep you all posted…I’m sure this thread’ll still be rolling.

 

[oncewas]

I don't if anyone already posted this but he is Jim talking about the new Hawken he's working on.

 

[WhitetailTurkey01]

My biggest problem besides funds is going to be deciding between either 54 or 58 caliber. I currently have a Woodsrunner in 54 so I'll probably lean towards 58. Fortunately I found a few tins of No.11 caps a few months ago so I have a small supply at least.

And I still have plans for a 16 gauge Fowler and a SMR in either 36 or 40 caliber.

 

[sportster73hp]

The 58 is my pet caliber lately 9 pieces so far.
I think the 54 would be better ballistically but it is still a roundball.

 

[Gum Slough Muzzleloader]

My biggest problem besides funds is going to be deciding between either 54 or 58 caliber. I currently have a Woodsrunner in 54 so I'll probably lean towards 58. Fortunately I found a few tins of No.11 caps a few months ago so I have a small supply at least.

And I still have plans for a 16 gauge Fowler and a SMR in either 36 or 40 caliber.

I'm leaning to the .58 also.
Same reason, I have a .54 Woodsrunner.
Them SMRs are sweet. I have one in .32

Really looking forward to the release of the Hawken.

 

[William Sublette]

Maybe we should elect a Hawken czar to declare what’s Hawken and he could hand out certificates of authenticity to guns that qualify….there’s an idea.

I'll volunteer if I can have a liberal pto policy, and bourbon on the job is ignored.


*And......the nostalgic indoor cigar is promoted, not frowned on.

 

[Codger Craig Wilcox]

I'd be up for a Kibler Hawken in .58; my first ML was a 1863 Springfield in .58 (.577), and grew very comfortable with it.

It could be a brother to my Pedersoli double .58. And probably use the same Minie' style projectiles.

 

[beardedhorse]

For those undecided, if the outside dimensions of the .54 and .58 caliber barrels fit the same stock, order both barrels as interchangeable drop ins.. This contingent on snail and hook fitting same tang and lock cutout for snail. The Mariano Modena rifle was originally .53 or .54 and either bored out to .58 or replaced with the current existing barrel. The barrel is around 32 to 34 inches if I recall and rifling is same rate of twist. 1 in 34 inch twist is much faster than 1 in 48. Likely for a conical bullet.

 

[Coinneach]

I know the approach I've used in designing this rifle is not for every person and that's of course okay. I would like to elaborate on my personal perspective just a bit though... No, this rifle will not be exactly like any original existing Hawken rifle, and I believe this to be a good thing!!! I don't drink the Hawken Kool-Aid. I really don't fully understand the widespread alure or fascination.

From the perspective of a previous high end custom gunbuilder, the design and workmanship of the vast majority of originals is pretty weak. So, why would I want to repeat what I see as shortcomings? What I've done is create a gun that has characteristics of many Hawken rifles and other guns from the same time period and generally similar geographic area in such a way that I am pleased. Really, this isn't any different than I've done on any of our other offerings as well! The only difference is these guns don't have the cult following. This is pretty much the approach many of the best custom builders today.

To be perfectly frank, I find many or most Hawken originals and contemporary recreations to be pretty awful. Sure, they have some neat characteristics, but as a whole I think they don't stand up well. I'm trying to change this.

As to the name, I don't really have much of an opinion... Hawken is very recognizable and that is a good thing. Think about all the crummy kit guns with names attached to them from years past. So, if someone doesn't like the name associated with our kit, I don't know what to tell you.

Okay, enough pontificating! The response from this latest offering has been absolutely amazing! Better than we've ever seen before. So please accept my heart felt thank you! Our customer base is really amazing.

Thanks, bearded horse, good advice. I'm hoping the finials turn out to be optional. If he has to make finials standard, I'm hoping he at least uses a design used on an original to throw a small table scrap to traditionalists, known as kool-aid drinkers to Jim.

".....to throw a small table scrap to traditionalists, known as kool-aid drinkers to Jim."

Interesting that you "pseudo" quoted him, can you verify that Jim Kibler actually said that ?

 

[Coinneach]

PSST this will be his 5th model: SMR, Colonial, WR, Fowler, now Hawken - but wooohooooooooo

Whenever I step outside here in Australia, the Magpies warble and the Wind whispers "the next Kibler kit will be an English Sporting Flintlock Rifle"..................

 

[Patched]

The Muzzleloading Faith, while adhering to the Scripture does allow for fanatical sub-sects, Hawkenists, as they’re called among the faithful are often denigrated for their percussionism, rigid barrel twist rate restrictions and inflexibility to the minutiae of detail.

In the ancient Book of Hawken, the prophet Baird, a holy man for sure seemingly misled the flock…this caused a rift in the faith and within the sect itself which only became deeper and more bitter with time…

To the Hawkenists the most holy grail has yet to be found so the stigma of percussionism plagues them to this day…most of the radicalized zealots have gone to the “great Rendezvous on the Green River”….but rumors of their “kool-aid” guzzling rituals persist to this day.

The Muzzleloading Faith, according to the Scripture, does not condone smokeless powders, plastic sabots or gunstocks nor any anti-Hawkenist sentiment…blasphemers and heretics will be subject to ridicule and ostracism…all floggings are to remain verbal until further notice as it has been written.

 

[Newly O’Brian]

I don't understand all the drama of him potentially ADDING another rilfe not discontinuing any other ones.

Don't like it, don't buy it, who cares!

The reaction is almost like he's building an unmentionable!

 

[Gum Slough Muzzleloader]

I don't understand all the drama of him potentially ADDING another rilfe not discontinuing any other ones.

Don't like it, don't buy it, who cares!

The reaction is almost like he's building an unmentionable!

That's great!
I like how and what you said.
Spot on!

 

[Frontstuffer070]

16 pages, Because the Gun Father is putting out a cap buster. Wait till he offers a percussion conversion. Heads are gonna explode.

 

[Gum Slough Muzzleloader]

The thing that gets me is I have yet to see anyone find something wrong with his guns. I understand that the guys that start with a plank of wood and build their own may not care for a kit. I get that. I think that cool they can a do build their own to keep or sell. I'd love start from scratch. Right at this point in my life it's just not for me. One day I will, hopefully.
Kibler opened a door for me to get into flintlocks, and some self gratification in assembling my own rifle. I'm looking forward to getting his Hawken Rifle.
Like Ole Newly O'Brian said, "Don't like, don't buy it, who cares." I think it's going to look good, shoot good, and be fun to assemble.

GSM

 

[gfberg51]

being from Montana, I not into Mr. Kilbers other rifle designs but he has my attention with this Hawken or whatever it is called.

 

[Rebel bull]

Good thinking ............ Rudyard

thanks Rudyard