I should be clear, it was $300. The rest is me changing things in it to be better.
-
Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight.
We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.
Use this link to sign up please; https://membership.nra.org/recruiters/join/XR045103
Kibler side effect?
- Thread starter Moleman
- Start date
Help Support Muzzleloading Forum:
Mike in FL
50 Cal.
Absolutes. That reminds me of a book I once bought on how to pass a civil service job exam. One of the tips was that if a multiple choice question includes "always" in the list, do not select that answer. Example: If your supervisor gives you direct instruction, you should . . .
A - Check with another supervisor first.
B - tell the supervisor your differing opinion that would be a better way to procceed.
C - always obey the directive without comment or hesitation
D - ignore the directive that you feel is defective.
E - none of the above.
Do not choose C.
Hey my truck cost me 1 grand. And the one before that was 500. Archaic as my trucks may be they are worth every penny to me
Black Jaque Janaviac
40 Cal.
- Joined
- Sep 2, 2009
- Messages
- 535
- Reaction score
- 73
It is a tough time for a traditional muzzleloader manufacturer. The market in the U.S. is shrinking (not enough youngsters moving in, inlines taking over). And Kibler is consuming larger and larger portions.
About the only way to maintain ground would be to get a cnc machine yourself. But then you have to know how to make it go. The CNC seems to have some shortcomings though. It must be more difficult to retool. Thus you don’t see the options available Kibler is just a fine kit like a better quality Pedersoli. But it is not a custom or semi custom. TVM offer many options of styles and you can select different barrels and length of pulls. With Kibler you get the gun he makes.
About the only way to maintain ground would be to get a cnc machine yourself. But then you have to know how to make it go. The CNC seems to have some shortcomings though. It must be more difficult to retool. Thus you don’t see the options available Kibler is just a fine kit like a better quality Pedersoli. But it is not a custom or semi custom. TVM offer many options of styles and you can select different barrels and length of pulls. With Kibler you get the gun he makes.
Hah. My one truck was $250. The car I drive now, a 2001 vw beetle was $75 delivered to my shop with 75k miles…. I won’t have a new car. Not a good value.
Not only are they expensive, but you have to know how to do the drawings in the machine and program it. Plus, know WHAT the stuff looks like to draw it. Kibler was an awesome gunsmith before he started this.
Sam squanch
69 Cal.
- Joined
- Oct 9, 2019
- Messages
- 3,171
- Reaction score
- 4,533
We need a good single barrel shotgun.
Our selection is smaller, but our quality is superior to most all “custom” rifles. Definitely no comparison to products from TVM etc. just the truth…
It may be smaller, but it is excellent.
Right. A lot of it stems from you being a gun builder before. How did you get into cnc? I know that took some doing.
Well I'll be the stinker on the custom rifle quote.
With a custom you get your lop, cast off if asked for and other options. Like engraving , carving etc .
As long as your lop is 13.5 the kits work very well for most .
But for kits on the market that I have finished. Kiblers are the easiest and the best.
With a custom you get your lop, cast off if asked for and other options. Like engraving , carving etc .
As long as your lop is 13.5 the kits work very well for most .
But for kits on the market that I have finished. Kiblers are the easiest and the best.
Kmcmichael
45 Cal.
- Joined
- Feb 11, 2021
- Messages
- 606
- Reaction score
- 1,011
The LOP is not a as critical on a rifle…or maybe it is why I’m not a great rifle shot.
If the gun doesn't fit you. You are not going to be a good off hand shot with it. Why do you think skeet an trap shooters are so particular on how the guns fits..?
I like to stalk deer so when I get a chance to shoot I want those sights lined up the second that gun comes to my shoulder.
Many people can shoot well from a rest. Few shoot really well off hand..JMHO
I like to stalk deer so when I get a chance to shoot I want those sights lined up the second that gun comes to my shoulder.
Many people can shoot well from a rest. Few shoot really well off hand..JMHO
Kmcmichael
45 Cal.
- Joined
- Feb 11, 2021
- Messages
- 606
- Reaction score
- 1,011
I was a sponsored skeet shooter for a few years. My Kgun is 15.5 LOP. Other than a few time shooting silhouettes and some high power 30 years ago I’ve never shot much offhand rifles. Honestly I can shoot a handgun from a sitting position as well as I can shoot a rifle offhand.
I do not stalk deer and only hunt from a blind.
I am also losing my capability with an open rear sight.
I was merely making a joke.
ronaldrothb49
45 Cal.
- Joined
- Oct 31, 2021
- Messages
- 830
- Reaction score
- 1,413
I recently saw a post where Jim Kibler state he had Just set up a new $500,000 machine. You got to sell a lot of rifles to pay for one of those. Then you have to have someone who knows how to program it and people with that knowledge don't come cheap. Jim could probably make more as a machinist and have a lot less stress. I think Jim is making his own dream come true along with the guys who buy his rifles. I'm sorry Jim I make my own rifles to fit me, an average stock just doesn't fit me.
I have found the incorrect LOP will have a tendency to be a cheek slapper.
- Joined
- Mar 13, 2020
- Messages
- 7,478
- Reaction score
- 20,969
- Location
- On the Border in Idaho looking at BC
that and comb height. I did a plank build while not in the best of health.
when it was finished I could tell something was catty whampus but for the life of me couldn't nail down what.
first time i fired it the cheek slap was so bad it gave me a mouse on my cheek.
ah ha! says I. whittled it until no more slap and the sight picture was perfect.
things like that have me thinking strongly about a Kibler Kit.
Yes, we just got a very expensive CNC machine set-up and running. Although very costly, it will pay for itself and makes complete business sense. This is a passion, but at the same time it is very much a business. You're right, expensive machines require lots of sales, which we are thankful to have. We started off as a mom and pop garage shop, but it is far from that now.
And a hearty Thank You! from all of us that have bought one of your guns and will most likely buy again. Best wishes for your continued success.
Kmcmichael no problem on the lop statement...lol..
I'm a fanatic about getting the best accuracy I can get. I like my guns I build to fit me. I'm not into getting face slapped anymore than necessary... lol
I'm a fanatic about getting the best accuracy I can get. I like my guns I build to fit me. I'm not into getting face slapped anymore than necessary... lol
